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Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Richard Stallman 07 Jan '22

07 Jan '22

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] For practical success, it is desirable to make the game easy to install. To respect users' freedom, it is important to avoid dependence on any nonfree software. To let the community make sure the program is safe and not malware, we need to encourage users to package the program for distros. (See https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html.) It is important to achieve all three goals. The second is often ignored, but then the free software idea is forgotten. The third is one we often forget. Can you find a good way to achieve all three? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

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Re: [FSFLA] LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Ismael Luceno 06 Jan '22

06 Jan '22

On 05/Jan/2022 14:48, Dennis Payne wrote: > On Wed, 2022-01-05 at 16:10 +0100, Ismael Luceno wrote: > > Making it attractive would mean the prizes and frequency of the > > contests > > need to yield an average much higher than what would be possible by > > selling > > the game, which sounds unrealistic to me. > > > > A single top game can easily gross tens of millions, I don't think > > you can > > compete with the privative models this way; and even the average > > good-ish > > games makes 20k-25k USD on their first year. > > > > Making it work would require a different approach. > > I think you are misinformed. According to a 2020 study, over 50% of > indie games on Steam make less than $4000. > > https://vginsights.com/insights/article/infographic-indie-game-revenues-on-… I don't disagree with those numbers. Is your plan to have just mediocre games? <...> > $2000 prize pool for weekend or even a week of work isn't bad. Completely different dynamics from work, it's a competition, you don't give them money all year around, neither you guarantee it. If the median game makes about 4k USD, and you don't care about quality, just the number of games, you would still need to reward above that if you want everything copylefted. Also there's the problem of how you partition that, by voting? everyone gets 4k? I can't think of any sane option. > To sell a game you need to do a lot more work. Take Celeste > for example. It was made for on pico-8 for a game jam. It was a > "difficult platformer with 30 levels". The commercial game had > "over 200 rooms spread between eight chapters." That was a lot of > work to make it a commercial success. True; but I'm just pointing out we cut out that possibility if we really want libre games. It isn't about the time invested in the jam, that's meaningless, the problem is the alternative commercial exploitation model would need to be better, or at least equivalent. > A game jam game might lead to a bigger commercial game but the game jam > itself will not be a huge seller. Game jams require you to be able to > play the games of others to give ratings and comments. You are going to > get that if you have to buy them. On itch.io I believe the only thing > you can do is make it "pay what want". Unless you do something else, you'll still get privative games in the end of the chain, and just junk prototypes from the competition itself.

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Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Jacob Hrbek 04 Jan '22

04 Jan '22

> I think it would quickly become unmanageable. I think you would need to display only those installed and allow a search for more to install. -- Dennis Payne I agree that showing a huge list of games would be unmanagable in which case each user should have it's "library of games" with option to add more games to it from some kind of catalog. On 1/4/22 04:01, Dennis Payne wrote: > I think it would quickly become > unmanageable. I think you would need to display only those installed > and allow a search for more to install. -- -- Jacob Hrbek

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Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Jacob Hrbek 01 Jan '22

01 Jan '22

> So by Libre Game development tournament! are we talking about a competition to see who can come up with the best game ? -- Paul Yes, That's how i see my idea.. Where the problems that i can see is how to make it fair, competetive and how to get sufficient amount of submissions while promoting the development of Free Software Games + how to decide who won. On 1/1/22 10:07, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > So by Libre Game development tournament! are we talking about a > competition to see who can come up with the best game ? -- -- Jacob Hrbek

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Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Richard Stallman 31 Dec '21

31 Dec '21

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > We already have a pretty good wiki, not hold by FSF and perhaps not using > the same criteria the FSD uses, but it can be a first strong base to begin with: > https://libregamewiki.org/ If you send me the list of criteria for listing a game there, I could tell you what the GNU Project and the FSF would say about the site. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

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Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Richard Stallman 30 Dec '21

30 Dec '21

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > In a lot of ways I think the bigger problem for free software games is > discoverability. Have you played Smalltrek? How about Witch's Blast? > OpenAlchemist? Diver Down? Mindcrosser? Hijinx: A Christmas Capper? > Seahorse Adventures? Shattered Pixel Dungeon? Anagramarama? Ardentryst? We can do something to help with that. The first step is to add entries in directory.fsf.org for them. Then we could make another page with a list of these free games and put it on gnu.org/software. It could have 5-10 lines of description of each game. WDYT? > Non-free game engines I agree with. I think non-free tools is not > enforceable. If the developer uses free content from opengameart.org or > other sites, they may have no idea how the content was created. It > makes sense to not allow non-free tools to build the game. I agree that there is nothing to be gained by making rules about how the files _were_ written or tested. Or about what tools a participant privately uses. If you prefer to use a non-free text editor, that has no effect on anyone else, so we have no reason to bother you about that. We don't even need to ask what you actually use. The rules that make sense are about what the release program allows developers to do to develop it further. So every file should be suitable for editing with a free editor, and compiling with a free compiler, etc. Side issue. May I suggest not using the word "content" to describe works of authorship or art? That term subtly denigrates _all_ of them. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

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Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Jacob Hrbek 29 Dec '21

29 Dec '21

I agree that one game jam won't cause a sudden influx of free software games.. From my experience I think the effects of it will be seen after +- 3rd iteration assuming that we are able to provide a sufficient: 1. promotion 2. economical support 3. preparation time (at least 1 month in advance) for the game developers to keep their development going after the game jam. I also agree that game jam submission usually get abandoned for reasons highlighted in previous e-mail (in short due to the development sustainability), but game jams with sufficient promotion are usually maintained after the jam ended unless the theme was to make a short game e.g. (random selection of games from LudumDare that seems to be complying with GPLv3): 1. https://github.com/cagibi-dev/warhead-stroll Ludum Dare 49 ("LD49") submission https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/49/warhead-stroll 2. https://github.com/HolyBlackCat/LD49-brimstone LD49 submission https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-d are/49/brimstone 3. https://github.com/Jezzamonn/dogsplusplus LD49 Submission https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/49/dogs 4. https://github.com/MausGames/last-fall LD49 submission https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/49/last-fall etc.. And even if the game gets abandoned in Free Software Game Jam then anyone can take over and maintain if which i assume will happen on regular bases if the submission is good. Also if our goal is to stimulate development of Free Software games then we should adapt the game jam to discourage making a short games (lot of game jams are done for development exercise that are designed to not be developed after the jam ended). On 12/29/21 18:30, Dennis Payne wrote: > I don't think a game jam will cause a sudden influx of quality free > software games. I don't think it is a bad idea to have one but I doubt > it will be a great source of quality free software games. Jam games are > not typically developed further beyond the jam. > > In a lot of ways I think the bigger problem for free software games is > discoverability. Have you played Smalltrek? How about Witch's Blast? > OpenAlchemist? Diver Down? Mindcrosser? Hijinx: A Christmas Capper? > Seahorse Adventures? Shattered Pixel Dungeon? Anagramarama? Ardentryst? > >> 3. Ban any non-free game engines and any non-free tools e.g. to > require using GNU GIMP instead of AS Photoshop. > > Non-free game engines I agree with. I think non-free tools is not > enforceable. If the developer uses free content from opengameart.org or > other sites, they may have no idea how the content was created. It > makes sense to not allow non-free tools to build the game. > > I agree that using itch.io for the jam would be easiest but I don't > think the site is free software. Many of the tools they create are such > as the itch.io app and butler. > > > > -- > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi > > -- -- Jacob Hr bek

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Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Jacob Hrbek 29 Dec '21

29 Dec '21

> This might be fun, but it would be a lot of work and would need leaders who are familiar with free software game development, plus leaders who know how to run an event. -- RMS Agree, i asked relevant developers who have experience with Free Software Game Development to join the list and provide their insight + I try to contact people organizing open-source / linux game jams to help with organization. I already talked with some of them in terms of organization and i've compiled this list of suggestions: 1. provide a handling for "troll submissions" which are usually very common in game jams. 2. Consider providing a theme 3. Ban any non-free game engines and any non-free tools e.g. to require using GNU GIMP instead of A$ Photoshop. 4. Ban any non-free game assets excluding Creative Commons. 5. Require the game license to be GPLv3 complying 6. Clarification whether the developer can work solo or in a team (teams usually have an advantage over solo developers) 7. Require that the game be developed after the event started (to avoid people submitting their long finished games to give everyone a fair chance) 8. Game requiring minimum of X ratings (assuming the community deciding which game should win) to be placed in leaderboard. 9. The game jam should be a recurring event e.g. 4x a year as one-time game jams are not appealing to the game development as the main advantage to participating is to get promotion to sustain the further development. 10. In general the price pool for game jams is crowd sourced once the game jams gets to be known enough for sufficient amount of people to participate, but new game jams should have an initial price pool and method for people to donate to it. The target price pool should be in $$$$ range that enables the top 3~8+ submission to get a sufficient economical boost to help with development. Without price pool the games usually end up being an abadonware. 11. Fork policy as forking an already finished/worked on game gives the contestant an advantage, but open-source game jam should have this allowed assuming that their fork provides a significant functionality (maybe a separate category?) 12. Provide a list of Free Software Tools so that people who are not familiar with Free Software has the resources to know how to participate. 13. The event should be announced +- 1 month in advance with a heavy promotion and usually the theme is announced at the day where the event starts to avoid people working on a game prior to the event to get an unfair advantage. 14. The open-source jam <https://itch.io/jam/open-jam-2020> provides a "Open-Source Karma" points which are points for following best practices alike provided README, etc.. that increase the change of win, this should also be included in LibreJam. > The mailing lists you sent your message to are either (1) not the FSF's or (2) meant for other things. Maybe discusion(a)fsfla.org is ok for this purpose. fsf-community-team is not meant to be a discussion list. -- RMS 1. I wanted to include Free Software Australia. i know that they are not part of FSF, but they are a group of volunteers spreading Free Software in Australia that are compatible with values of FSF such as https://freesoftware.org.au/hardware-and-software-recommendation. So i though that they might provide their point of view on this proposal. They can be excluded from the discussion if you feel like it's inappropriate. 2. My fault! Moved the discussion from fsf-community-team to libreplanet-discuss. On 12/29/21 05:51, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > This might be fun, but it would be a lot of work and would need > leaders who are familiar with free software game development, > plus leaders who know how to run an event. > > The mailing lists you sent your message to are either (1) not the > FSF's or (2) meant for other things. Maybe discusion(a)fsfla.org is ok > for this purpose. fsf-community-team is not meant to be a discussion > list. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > On 12/28/21 11:43, Jacob Hrbek wrote: > There are too many overhyped proprietary games that are either > unplayable or are just a rewrite of something that already exists and > not enough libre games that are worth the time playing where from my > talks with the relevant game developers seems to be mainly due to the > economy of developing more complicated games and their inability to > promote the games to the general public to sustain the development. > > Thus as a solution i am proposing for FSF* network to cooperate and > host a "Libre Game Jam" as in a recurring tournament that anyone can > join and submit GPLv3-complying games in set amount of time where top > submissions (community voted) get promotion and monetary rewards. > > To organize this jam i am suggesting: > a) Use https://itch.io which is MIT licensed digital distribution > platform <https://github.com/itchio/itch> which already has the > management for these jams on https://itch.io/jams (webapp source code > under GPLv3 is allegedly said to be released on demand, submitted > https://github.com/itchio/itch.io/issues/1265, other clients are GPLv3 > complying) > b) Ask craig from FSF Directory to dedicate 10 min in the weekly FSD > meetup for managing the game jam and make the submission on the FSD > wiki or on other appropriate submission (i asked him and he didn't > disagreed at the time of sending this email + i checked that he has > the time to do that as part of the FSD meetup) > > Inspired by LudumDare <https://ludumdare.com/> which is also a > proof-of-concept that generates libre games monthly e.g. > https://github.com/topics/ludum-dare-38 > > To FSF, FSFE, FSFLA, FSFI, Free Software Australia > (#AcceptFSFAUinFSFNetwork they do a lot of great work!), RMS > -- -- Jacob Hrbek

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LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
by Jacob Hrbek 28 Dec '21

28 Dec '21

There are too many overhyped proprietary games that are either unplayable or are just a rewrite of something that already exists and not enough libre games that are worth the time playing where from my talks with the relevant game developers seems to be mainly due to the economy of developing more complicated games and their inability to promote the games to the general public to sustain the development. Thus as a solution i am proposing for FSF* network to cooperate and host a "Libre Game Jam" as in a recurring tournament that anyone can join and submit GPLv3-complying games in set amount of time where top submissions (community voted) get promotion and monetary rewards. To organize this jam i am suggesting: a) Use https://itch.io which is MIT licensed digital distribution platform <https://github.com/itchio/itch> which already has the management for these jams on https://itch.io/jams (webapp source code under GPLv3 is allegedly said to be released on dema nd, submitted https://github.com/itchio/itch.io/issues/1265, other clients are GPLv3 complying) b) Ask craig from FSF Directory to dedicate 10 min in the weekly FSD meetup for managing the game jam and make the submission on the FSD wiki or on other appropriate submission (i asked him and he didn't disagreed at the time of sending this email + i checked that he has the time to do that as part of the FSD meetup) Inspired by LudumDare <https://ludumdare.com/> which is also a proof-of-concept that generates libre games monthly e.g. https://github.com/topics/ludum-dare-38 To FSF, FSFE, FSFLA, FSFI, Free Software Australia (#AcceptFSFAUinFSFNetwork they do a lot of great work!), RMS -- -- Jacob Hrbek

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Call For Participation - Legal and Policy Issues DevRoom at FOSDEM 2022
by Alexander Sander 14 Dec '21

14 Dec '21

Hi all! The CFP for the FOSDEM Legal & Policy Devroom, again co-organised by FSFE, is online. [1] We seek proposals for 30 or 50 minute talks that address issues of software freedom project policies and legal issues that extend beyond and/or are orthogonal to technical issues faced by projects. For ideas about talk topics see the background information below. Best Alex [1] https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2021q4/003356.html ########################################################################### Call For Participation Legal and Policy Issues DevRoom at FOSDEM 2022 CONFERENCE DATE: Saturday & Sunday 5-6 February 2022 online from Brussels, Belgium DEVROOM DATE: Saturday 5 February 2022 CFP DEADLINE: Wednesday 27 December 2021 at 23:59 AoE (Anywhere on Earth) SPEAKERS NOTIFIED: Friday 7 January 2022 (on or before) Quick CFP Overview (TL;DR) ========================== Hackers, developers, contributors and lawyers alike are encouraged to submit on any FOSS-related policy or legal topic. We seek proposals for 30 or 50 minute talks that address issues of software freedom project policies and legal issues that extend beyond and/or are orthogonal to technical issues faced by projects. For ideas about talk topics see the background information below. You can respond to this CFP by creating a user account on Pentabarf and creating one (or more) talk proposals by 27 December 2021. See details below. CFP Details =========== Copyright law provides many of the basic legal underpinnings of Free Software. Patent and trademark law and legal frameworks relating to data privacy and security also have significant relevance to Free Software development. Governance and policies around free software projects (beyond mere outbound licensing) set the rules for collaboration and can be critical to a project's success. Also governments, institutions and administrations increasingly rely on Free Software and regulate and govern this area. Our community has substantial expertise in this area yet there are few venues to discuss these matters in a forum open to all. Hackers, developers, contributors, lawyers, policy experts, and community leaders all possess expertise in these matters. This DevRoom seeks proposals for 30 or 50 minute talks. Sessions should address issues of software freedom project policies and legal issues that extend beyond and/or are orthogonal to technical issues faced by projects and government regulations. Such topics could include, but aren't necessarily limited to: * What legislation should we be watching, what has been recently enacted, and what coming soon? What effect could these have on software freedom? * Who controls the copyright, trademark, or patent licensing, release plans, CLA administration, or security bug reporting policies of your project, and why? What challenges have you faced in these policy areas and how are you seeking to change it? * How is your project governed? Do you have a non-profit organization, or a for-profit company that primarily controls your project, or neither? Do you wish your project governance was different? Who decided your governance initially? What politics (good and bad) have occurred around your governance choices and how have you changed your policy? Does your project have a "shadow governance", whereby technical governance is open and fair, but some entity has its own opaque political structure that influences your project? Are you worried that your project might and you don't know? Are you exploring any new solutions for governance? * How do ethical issues intersect with your project? How do those issues interact with software freedom? How can we protect user's rights in the current legal and technical landscape? Are there ways to mitigate the hold that click through terms of service have over the average person's use of software? Are privacy regulations like GDPR having any appreciable impact on software freedom? * Legal topics of all sorts and their interaction with software freedom culture and work remain welcome, and could include: How does your project make use of legal advice? What legal advice do you give projects and what topics do you put first on the list to worry about in projects? Discuss in detail a legal and/or policy issue your project faced and how your community dealt with it. What lessons did you learn? Are some of your developers afraid to discuss legal or quasi-legal issues without their lawyers, or their employers' lawyers, present? How has that impeded or helped your project? Are your lawyers really your lawyers (e.g., do corporate lawyers for companies in your community influence the direction of the project even though not all contributors work for that company)? * Contribution and engagement policies: how does your project engage new contributors and what policy decisions did your project make to welcome new contributors? What legal issues or policy concerns has your project faced historically in its community engagement efforts, and what did you learn from these experiences? * How does money affect your community? How is funding of developers handled in your project? What policies do you set to welcome volunteers to join a community where most developers are paid? Does your project have policies that forbid funding developers directly? Does reliance on volunteer labor lead to lack of diversity since only the affluent can participate? If you had unconstrained resources at your disposal, what would you change about the funding structure of your project? Given the resources you have, what have you tried to change? Have you succeeded or failed? Would more money in the ecosystem hurt or help your project? * How do projects handle conflicts of interest and make sure that relevant interests of contributors are disclosed in important decision making discussions? * Strategies and plans for addressing harassment, exclusionary and/or discriminatory behavior in FLOSS communities. Do you have a Code of Conduct? Have you needed to enforce it? Was it successful in improving behavior and diversity in your community? What strategies do you use to you handle toxic people in your community? * Talks on license compliance, licensing business models, and anything akin to, or building upon, what you've seen in our DevRoom before are of course welcome. (URLs to talks from previous years are below.) Regarding topic relevancy, here's the only "don't": please don't propose introductory talks; there are other venues appropriate for those. FOSDEM is the meeting place of experts in Free Software project governance, law, and policy. This DevRoom is for intermediate to advanced topics surrounding just about anything you might call a "legal" or "policy" issue for your project or software freedom! Should I Submit? ================ Do consider that what may seem elementary to you may in fact be an intermediate topic in this area. In particular, while we expect to receive submissions from lawyers, we've found in our careers that non-lawyers often know just as much (and often more) about these topics than lawyers. Developers and other Free Software project participants who regularly face complex policy and legal questions are strongly and particularly encouraged to submit proposals. Historically, some of the most lively and intriguing talks in this DevRoom's previous years have been from developers who have been thrust (often due to circumstances beyond their control) into dealing with legal and policy issues for Free Software. Look at past talks in our DevRoom for inspiration: https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2016/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2015/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/schedule/track/legal_issues/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2012/schedule/track/legal_issues_devroom.html CFP Schedule And Submission Details =================================== Submit proposals NO LATER THAN 27 December 2021 at 23:59 AoE (Anywhere on Earth) Please use the following URL to submit your talk to FOSDEM 2022: https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM22 and follow these steps: * Select as the Track "Legal and Policy Issues devroom". * Include a title. (Note that "Subtitle" entry doesn't appear on all conference documents, so make sure "Title" can stand on its own without "Subtitle" present.) Shorter and more concise is better! * Include an Abstract of about 500 characters and a full description of any length you wish, but in both fields, please be concise, but clear and descriptive. * Indicate a 30 or 50 minute time slot. If you select any other time amount, your submission is very likely to be rejected. * Use the "Links" sub-area to your past work in the field you'd like to share. Particularly helpful are recordings (audio/video) of your past talks on the subject or past papers/blog posts you've written on the subject. * You are encouraged to enter biographic information under the "Person" section (e.g. you may upload an image, enter your background in the "Description" tab, and sites of interest under the "Links" tab). * State that you agree to CC BY-SA-4.0 or CC BY-4.0 licensing of your talk in the "Submission Notes" field. Add a statement such as this: "Should my presentation be scheduled for FOSDEM 2022, I hereby agree to license all recordings, slides and any other materials presented under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 4.0 International license. * Also in the notes field, confirm your availability to speak on Saturday, 5 February 2022. (Please indicate any challenges you may have with respect to your availability to present during the European time zone.) Failure to follow these instructions above (and those on the FOSDEM 2022 site) may result in automatic rejection of your talk submission. However, if you have trouble with submission via the official system, please do contact <fosdem-legal-policy at faif.us> for assistance. Diversity Statement ------------------- The organizers of this DevRoom are committed to increasing the diversity of the free software movement. To that end, our CFP process takes demographic information into account in order to build a program that features as many different voices and perspectives as possible. If you are comfortable doing so, please share any demographic information about yourself in the "Submission Notes". Such disclosure is not mandatory by any means. No Assurance of Acceptance -------------------------- The organizers (listed below) realize many of our friends and colleagues will respond to this CFP. We welcome submissions from all, but an invitation from any of us to submit is *not* an assurance of acceptance. We typically must make hard decisions. We appreciate the effort you put into crafting your submission to give yourself the best chance of acceptance. About the DevRoom Organizers ============================ The co-organizers of the FOSDEM 2022 Legal and Policy Issues DevRoom are (in alphabetical order by surname): - Richard Fontana, Senior Commercial Counsel, Red Hat - Matthias Kirschner, President, Free Software Foundation Europe - Bradley M. Kuhn, Policy Fellow and Hacker-in-Residence at Software Freedom Conservancy - Max Mehl, FSFE Programme Manager, Free Software Foundation Europe - Alexander Sander, FSFE Policy Consultant - Karen M. Sandler, Executive Director of the Software Freedom Conservancy, Lecturer In Law Columbia Law School You are welcome to contact us all at <fosdem-legal-policy at faif.us> with questions about this CFP. ########################################################################### -- Alexander Sander - FSFE Policy Consultant Free Software Foundation Europe Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 | (fsfe.org/join)

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