Ciaran O'Riordan ciaran@fsfe.org wrote:
MJ Ray mjr@phonecoop.coop writes:
This is especially ironic given the increasing use of proprietary webapps by FSF projects.
I don't know which proprietary webapps you're refering to.
Do you mean "proprietary" as in FSF violating it's own interpretation of free software or violating your definition (you might call AGPL non-free) of it?
Or do you mean that not FSF but the off gnu.org homepages of some GNU packages are using proprietary webapps (like maybe sourceforge?) ?
I was thinking mainly of the off gnu.org homepages of some GNU software. I think that maybe sourceforge is justifiable, particularly where its use predates the existance of Savannah and other free/open hosting sites, so I wasn't thinking of that, but there are other parts of the GNU project using things like Atlassian Confluence - it's not like we're short of free software WikiEngines.
So it wasn't what I was referring to above, but I do feel that AGPL is probably non-free, but it depends how the vague bits are resolved. However, I fear that all AGPL-using sites would be blanket-OK'd by FSF, which is why I think they wouldn't be a good rating agent for webapps. Also, some of the strongest AGPL advocates are heavy users of proprietary web-apps, which is particularly irritating, like a drunk lecturing on how we should all be sober at all times.
Hope that explains,