hi daniel,
sorry for the late reply, i was on holidy and only partly checked mails for the last two weeks, but i wanted to clear a few things up here... On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 10:10:53AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: ...
Personally, I felt these concerns demonstrated a lack of trust and confidence in the fellowship representatives and in fact even a lack of trust and confidence in humanity to organize ourselves democratically. Having served in various representative roles in the past where membership lists were always available to me I actually felt somewhat insulted by these responses and uncertain about whether the fellowship representative role is meant to be only an illusion of representation rather than an active representative.
as i on ga@: no, it's not distrust. however i strongly believe on only giving access where there is no need for the data. yes, you are entitled to be able to communicate with fellows/contributres/sustaining members/... there are multiple ways already: * multiple mailling lists where active and intrested people subscribe * the (given a bit unusual way) via the fellowship database where you currently need human intervention, however it is still possible to send signed mails, so i see no trust issues on if the mails where altered. ...
- when you join an organization such as FSFE and you provide personal
data such as your name and email address, do you expect that office holders and elected representatives would have some access to this data in performing their roles?
as i said before, no...no direct access if it is not neccesary or cannot currently prevented. ...
Proposed motion: The GA recognizes the stark difference between the way FSFE coordinates contributor data and other organizations are doing things. FSFE supporter data is only available to Reinhard, Jones, system-hackers(?), ISP staff and third-parties involved in payment processing. The GA
hmm...i don't completly get where you get that list from, you never asked who has access if i remeber correctly. currently: * reinhard * the three people who are running the main systems (that includes me and jonas)
and that's it when it comes to the main database.
yes, of course if you use a third party payment provider, they will get some data (but they still have no access to stuff like your home address), however if you want to avoid that: we had people paying in cash at booths before...(including myself for a time)
as for ISP staff: why do you think that any isp staff has access? the DB is run on hardware owned by the fsfe, so unless they play games like pulling out the disks, they have no acess. ...
b) to be able to communicate with them directly
as stated above and before, there are ways to do that, but sofar you have not tried them, so saying that they don't work is a bit strange...
regards, albert