People, let me point your attention to a new kind of business, which has this far been impossible because of lack of adequate technological solutions and the related attitudes to it along with lacking knowledge. In fact, numerous big software projects, which do/should collect their money from many sources are operational already, just like there are many small developments like some dedicated blogs, which should receive support from many sources. As I see it, currently a great deal of failure is going on with both intelligently supporting others' developments and receiving support for own ones. And it doesn't surprise me at all -- how can things be different, when no trust is out there, just like predominantly there is so little knowledge about how much support a given project needs! Even it might all seem just logical to many, who see no failure, as such are the capabilities of the current economy. Quite inevitably, given an understanding about the capabilities of the latest information technologies, reasoning leads me to a conclusion, that a new kind of business is necessary. As various information projects develop and benefit everyone, who copies them in some way and finds them useful, the importance of competition lessens as opposed to importance of cooperation, simply because of more efficient way of making life better. But... Cooperation requires mutual support, which requires trust. How can so many people, who convene around a full spectrum of numerous information projects have a way to know how much support a given project needs, when question is about money? The full answer is too complex to say, effectively it is unique for each project and can differ greatly, however there is an important thing in common for all -- to receive support, open information projects have to provide knowledge of the support, which has been received already. That way there can be some reasonable trust. And it can happen through technological reliability. To understand what I mean by those two words, you have to read my presentation (link given below). In essence, I believe, that technological reliability can solve many problems and I also think, that I've made a bit of invention as for how to achieve it.
If you feel interested this far, you should read this: http://11.lv/files/presentations/2010/OWB/OWB-eng.pdf or, if you would prefer slides, where contents appear incrementally, as if I was telling them piece by piece: http://11.lv/files/presentations/2010/OWB/OWB-eng-i.pdf
To git people: (hopefully this can be accepted there) well, first, thanks for inspiring me with your VCS, also I think, your responses might be valuable, as you're many serious programmers there, you could inspect my idea from technical point of view and give a feedback of what flaws you can see!
Thinking it over for multiple times, I think, those 5 principles are enough an idea to build the relevant software and use it with success... But Internet has a lot more eyes than I do, so, please be critical (but precise)! I'd like to have some confirmation, that my idea can be what I think it is, just like it should be useful to discuss the underlying problem (distributed support) in general.
Development of those software components should be the further discussion, but I think, we are not there yet.
Also, if you are interested in this and happen to use gpg, please do a favour to me: consider that presentation a piece of my content-based identity and, to be sure of the next contents you might read, where I'm supposedly an author and signature file is given (as I'll do for each +- serious work), check the respective signatures against the attached public key (I do my best not to loose the other component of it)! If some mailprogram removes those files, search for 0xDA7B716812463FDFAB8D7A2E9CA777980D745B45 Thanks...
Hi,
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 09:24:21PM +0000, Kārlis Repsons wrote:
People, let me point your attention to a new kind of business, which has this far been impossible because of lack of adequate technological solutions and the related attitudes to it along with lacking knowledge.
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If you want a useful discussion please use one (at most three!) sentences to describe your problem and your solution. I think no one on this list wants to read through 75 pages of slides. And slides are not the right tool for discussion on a mailing list, anyway.
Best wishes Michael
Hi Michael!
On Monday 22 March 2010 16:40:04 Michael Kesper wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 09:24:21PM +0000, Kārlis Repsons wrote:
People, let me point your attention to a new kind of business, which has this far been impossible because of lack of adequate technological solutions and the related attitudes to it along with lacking knowledge.
[very long text snipped]
If you want a useful discussion please use one (at most three!) sentences to describe your problem and your solution.
Just the most important: ** money needs to be collected from various sources, which don't even know each other, so they need a technological way to trust the receiver that it will show the true financial status for all to consider before a new payment/donation. **
The problem is not just mine: it's a social failure, when any project is collecting money through blind donations of whatever kind.
My problem is -- how to: better explain this all to verify that idea can work (or improve) and start development (I know how to get the crucial functionality relatively easily, but then there is more)!
I think no one on this list wants to read through 75 pages of slides. And slides are not the right tool for discussion on a mailing list, anyway.
Well, then I try rectifying it now...
* Kārlis Repsons k@11.lv [2010-03-22 17:47:06 +0000]:
I think no one on this list wants to read through 75 pages of slides. And slides are not the right tool for discussion on a mailing list, anyway.
Well, then I try rectifying it now...
Looking forward to it.
Best wishes, Matthias
On Wednesday 24 March 2010 13:25:31 Matthias Kirschner wrote:
- Kārlis Repsons k@11.lv [2010-03-22 17:47:06 +0000]:
I think no one on this list wants to read through 75 pages of slides. And slides are not the right tool for discussion on a mailing list, anyway.
Well, then I try rectifying it now...
Looking forward to it.
Just the thing is, I'm unsure how you or others would prefer me to go about this, so, being quite sure of technology, I'm drafting a plan to write a preliminary software, which would allow the basic functionality (reliably booking payments from scattered sources), serve as an example and hopefully also a tool for facilitating building the full set of software for OWBs. Maybe nobody even quite understands or believes me without a working piece of software. Everything depends on software, then on people...
The problem and solution has several sides to consider and I won't even try to name them all right now. Discussing technology take lots of text and is quite likely not the thing to start with.
Rather, I'd like to start with a basic discussion of social usefulness of such a software, given it might indeed be created. To me it simply seems, that programs like openssh, fetchmail, kmail and others should be funded by users community, not so much by the people, who pay their developers in a "day job".
The current question is: for which projects it might^ be a viable solution already, that project announces what has been done, how much resources have been spent and its users gradually compensate that amount (knowing well how much the project has received already)?
^ well yes, given the software and easy way to see their personal payment (with or without name) into web or monitoring application