must carry a stamp of approval by the authorities (against copyright infringments)
I almost can't believe that software products require approval by authorities to be put on the market.
It's not a stamp of approval. It's something you buy (and it costs you a few hours at least, hours you must re-spend for every different program you have).
It's not to put it on the market. It's to use for "revenue purposes". My own software tools I use to accomplish my work must be stamped even if I'm using them in my house.
See the siae.html published by softwarelibero.org for more information (available in Italian and English (in slightly reduced form))
/alessandro, who's acting against the law like any software author in Italy.
On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:29:54PM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote:
It's not to put it on the market. It's to use for "revenue purposes". My own software tools I use to accomplish my work must be stamped even if I'm using them in my house.
so it goes much farther than just the market.
See the siae.html published by softwarelibero.org for more information (available in Italian and English (in slightly reduced form))
but how about the EU law? Can it break the Italian law regarding the payed approvals?
Jan
Hi all
Alessandro here can confirm that the italian law is so confusing that nobody can really tell if its structure is even remotely legal nor can anybody confirm if the stamp shall be applied where/how/anything... It's such a mess that probably only courts in years will be able to districate its meanings.
The Italian association SoftwareLibero.org sent an open letter to the SIAE asking to explain officially the contradicting law especially with the issues related to Free Software and Copylefted works. I think that only discussing with them (the SIAE) we can clear out what is the meaning of the law. Eventually, IMHO, we will need to organise some simbolic act to raise consciousness... maybe right after the elections?
Regards
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On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:29:54PM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote:
It's not to put it on the market. It's to use for "revenue purposes". My own software tools I use to accomplish my work must be stamped even if I'm using them in my house.
so it goes much farther than just the market.
See the siae.html published by softwarelibero.org for more information (available in Italian and English (in slightly reduced form))
but how about the EU law? Can it break the Italian law regarding the payed approvals?
Jan
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There's also worse and humoristic things to say about this law. Not only SIAE requires you to stick this stamp, but it (as it has been badly written down) would require you to put it on the medium, so if you want to be 100% with law you should attach the stamp directly on a cdrom, and if you download the software from internet it would be also possible that the law would require you to put the stamp on your harddisk (laugh).
Another part of the law (I honestly don't know if it has finally been approved) would require that any software programmer should be registered to their local police headquarters. (laugh again)
Stefano Maffulli wrote:
Hi all
Alessandro here can confirm that the italian law is so confusing that nobody can really tell if its structure is even remotely legal nor can anybody confirm if the stamp shall be applied where/how/anything... It's such a mess that probably only courts in years will be able to districate its meanings.
The Italian association SoftwareLibero.org sent an open letter to the SIAE asking to explain officially the contradicting law especially with the issues related to Free Software and Copylefted works. I think that only discussing with them (the SIAE) we can clear out what is the meaning of the law. Eventually, IMHO, we will need to organise some simbolic act to raise consciousness... maybe right after the elections?
Regards
Stefano Maffulli
Milano Linux User Group Vice-president work: http://commongis.jrc.it/ leisure: http://www.milug.org
-----Original Message----- From: discussion-admin@fsfeurope.org [mailto:discussion-admin@fsfeurope.org]On Behalf Of Jan-Oliver Wagner Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:36 PM To: discussion@fsfeurope.org Subject: Re: forwarding of e-mails not illegal after all... (fwd)
On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:29:54PM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote:
It's not to put it on the market. It's to use for "revenue purposes". My own software tools I use to accomplish my work must be stamped even if I'm using them in my house.
so it goes much farther than just the market.
See the siae.html published by softwarelibero.org for more information (available in Italian and English (in slightly reduced form))
but how about the EU law? Can it break the Italian law regarding the payed approvals?
Jan
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Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ FreeGIS http://freegis.org/ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion@fsfeurope.org http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion
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* Simo Sorce (simo.sorce@tiscalinet.it) [010310 08:54]:
Another part of the law (I honestly don't know if it has finally been approved) would require that any software programmer should be registered to their local police headquarters. (laugh again)
Hm, you could use the law to show the absurdity. If ervery friend or relative of any hacker in Italy tries to register it would breake the system.
Image whole classes of every school try to register because they have heard about programming and tried a "hello world" }:->
Just an idea
Matthias
Another part of the law (I honestly don't know if it has finally been approved) would require that any software programmer should be registered to their local police headquarters.
I don't think so. I heard rumors, but couldn't find it in the law. There only is a registry for people that sells or produces audio and video material for profit. Disclaimer: I don't have the law with me right now.
Hm, you could use the law to show the absurdity. If ervery friend or relative of any hacker in Italy tries to register it would breake the system.
When there is such a registry, it is about people that produces <thing> for profit, so your idea is not applicable. Even if it was it wouldn't break anything. Neither politicians nor the police is impressed if people is spending hours in queues.
/alessandro
Matthias Kabel writes:
- Simo Sorce (simo.sorce@tiscalinet.it) [010310 08:54]:
Another part of the law (I honestly don't know if it has finally been approved) would require that any software programmer should be registered to their local police headquarters. (laugh again)
Hm, you could use the law to show the absurdity. If ervery friend or relative of any hacker in Italy tries to register it would breake the system.
Image whole classes of every school try to register because they have heard about programming and tried a "hello world" }:->
What should I do then for my one-month trial period in Milan? I won't have a permanent place to stay in Italy before completing the trial period successfully
Klaus Schilling
Alessandro Rubini writes:
It's not a stamp of approval. It's something you buy (and it costs you a few hours at least, hours you must re-spend for every different program you have).
It's not to put it on the market. It's to use for "revenue purposes". My own software tools I use to accomplish my work must be stamped even if I'm using them in my house.
See the siae.html published by softwarelibero.org for more information (available in Italian and English (in slightly reduced form))
Are Application Service Providers whose servers run physically outside Italy but have customers in Italy also subject to SIAE?
Klaus Schilling