Hello everyone,
Due to not being able to gather in groups right now, I am currently in need to organize some online sitting of a group (25 ppl), probably via jitsi-meet.
At some point, there will be votes regarding numerous things, which should be anonymous. Initially, I thought about simply using Dudle[0] (*NOT* doodle), where participants would simply not give their names (hence, anonymous).
However, this comes with several issues. For one, we would be unable to confirm that everyone casted their vote. Secondly, if someone voted twice, we could not see that either. So there is some potential for manipulation.
In order to avoid these issues, I came up with a simple system: - Moderator inputs 25 pseudonyms into some online tool (e.g. animal names). - Each participant opens a secondary URL to the tool, which randomly assigns them one of the 25 pseudonyms. Every participant should receive a different pseudonym, such that all 25 ppl have one unique pseudonym which is unknown to the moderator (and to everyone else). - The Moderator hence knows all 25 pseudonyms, however he/she does not know, who has been assigned to which pseudonym. - When filling out the poll, every participant gives their pseudonym. That way, double-votes can be excluded and votes from pseudonyms not in the list can be eliminated when counting.
Now, while such a tool sounds simple in principle, I cannot find such thing out there...
- Let a moderator give it a list of pseudonyms via some admin-interface - print one of the 25 names, when opening a second URL. This should consider, that some names may be taken by others already.
Does anyone here know of such tool OR has a better idea to organize an anonymous online vote/poll?
Thank you very much in advance! Kind regards, Jan
Hi Jan,
Am Montag 23 März 2020 22:01:53 schrieb Jan Wey.:
- Let a moderator give it a list of pseudonyms via some admin-interface
- print one of the 25 names, when opening a second URL. This should
consider, that some names may be taken by others already.
Does anyone here know of such tool OR has a better idea to organize an anonymous online vote/poll?
it is possible to do this kind of pseudo-anonymous (aka nameless) voting with
https://github.com/OpenSlides/OpenSlides
(Disclosure: My company Intevation is the main driver of the Free Software product OpenSlides and also offers commercial hosting and support for it.)
Check out the https://demo.openslides.org (will be in Englisch if your Browser is set to English, except for a few texts). If - for instance - you go to the "Motions", select a motion until you are in the details view for it. You can "+ New Vote". In the upcoming dialog, you can select the voting type and the group that is elegible to vote. Delegates have their personal account with their name to follow the assembly. Now you have two possibilities:
a) just use the "non-nominal" vote and trust the security of the system. (you'll get a warning that this cannot fully guarantee that this is anonymous, we'll still work on the best phrasings for this.)
b) You hand out an number of pseudo accounts per random selection as a second account to all of your delegates. Assign it to a new group, call it something like "delegates-for-voting". Then you do a "nominal" vote with the new group, publish it, so that all can check. And if the vote is accepted, you can make a printout and later delete the votes with the list of pseudonyms from the online system.
Okay, this was the quick run-through. If you have questions, we've also send you a personal mail in German. :)
Best Regards, Bernhard
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Am Donnerstag 26 März 2020 19:50:46 schrieb Michael McMahon:
Is it time to revive GNU FREE? https://www.gnu.org/software/free/
All links on that page are dead, it's from 2002 and in November Stallman restated that they withdraw the software. https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2019-November/012957.html
Best, Bernhard
With free software, you can fork a project if you can find the code.
It still seems like a valid concept as long as it does not scale to politics.
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On 3/30/20 4:03 AM, Bernhard E. Reiter wrote:
Am Donnerstag 26 März 2020 19:50:46 schrieb Michael McMahon:
Is it time to revive GNU FREE? https://www.gnu.org/software/free/
All links on that page are dead, it's from 2002 and in November Stallman restated that they withdraw the software. https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2019-November/012957.html
Best, Bernhard
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Am Montag 30 März 2020 16:28:48 schrieb Michael McMahon:
With free software, you can fork a project if you can find the code.
True enough, "Free Software products never die, they only sleep". :)
Could you find the code?
It still seems like a valid concept as long as it does not scale to politics.
Personally I guess that there were new scientific research in the last 20 years.
Bernhard
Hi all,
Yes Reinhard there have been a lot of work on voting system in crypto those last years. ;)
At the same time it is usually less easy to use.
If you want a good solution (not for political elections ;) ) look at Helios.
It is free software and state of the art for voting . In fact, it is the solution we use at the iacr (international association for cryptological research).
Best, Cryptie
https://sourceforge.net/projects/free/files/FREE/GNU.FREE-1.9/
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On 3/31/20 3:29 AM, Cryptie wrote:
True enough, "Free Software products never die, they only sleep".
Could you find the code?