Hi!
I worriedly watch the slowing down of the accumulation of the signatures of the Public Money Public Code open letter. I think this is a great campaign that should reach as much people as possible and the slowing down bellow 15k signatures sort of suggest that its spreading started fading way too soon.
Maybe we (FSFE volunteers, supporters, and members) should give the campaign an extra push. I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of people haven't even heard about the campaign yet.
Some ideas:
- Can't we know and get some celebrities of relatively famous guys sympathizing with Free Software who may openly support the camping and attract others to join as supporters? I don't know Stephen Fry is very famous and I have seen him advertising Trisquel GNU/Linux-libre on youtube, Bryan Lunduke also have some fame and a regular youtube program on Free Software related stuff, and probably there are plenty of people who may worth a shot to ask... - I also think it would be worth bringing the campaign to the streets. A couple of volunteers could bring campaign stickers or flyers (https://git.fsfe.org/gergely/PMPC_QR-code_flyers) and distribute them to the passers-by. (If you are [or know] someone in Budapest who would happily join me doing that please contact me. Unfortunately, I would feel embarrassed to do this alone... :-/) - I think putting posters to bulletin boards in universities would also be great. Lack of official posters link https://git.fsfe.org/gergely/PMPC_QR-code_flyers here too. I totally plan to do this with the linked QR-code flyers even alone but if you are in Budapest and happy to join please contact me as this is also more fun to do in pairs or in groups. - I think the campaign should also be boosted on online platforms (forums, blogs, social media, etc). I'm only on diaspora* there I think I did my part (maybe on diaspora* most of the active users are already reached)... - I don't know if opening and keeping alive threads about the campaign on 4chan /g/ is a good idea or not? but I can help in that... Also if you can recommend online platforms where I can help engaging in discussion about the campaign I'm happy to do so.
All in all: Keep spreading the message are way too many people to be reached!!!
What do you think?
Best, Gergely
One thing that might help ever so little ...
Several of my colleagues signed the letter.
My company wanted to support the project officially, including a donation of money, and desired to have its logo listed among the "supporting organizations".
However, these can only be non-profits/civil society organizations, so we couldn't be listed as official supporters (and our CEO kept his money).
I can understand that for-profit companies are not NGOs, but why not have a section with "supporting companies"? If many signed up, it would also make a statement that actual companies working within the economy etc. support this motion.
Best Carsten
On 12/11/2017 12:15 PM, Gergely Székely wrote:
Hi!
I worriedly watch the slowing down of the accumulation of the signatures of the Public Money Public Code open letter. I think this is a great campaign that should reach as much people as possible and the slowing down bellow 15k signatures sort of suggest that its spreading started fading way too soon.
Maybe we (FSFE volunteers, supporters, and members) should give the campaign an extra push. I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of people haven't even heard about the campaign yet.
Some ideas:
- Can't we know and get some celebrities of relatively famous guys sympathizing with Free Software who may openly support the camping and attract others to join as supporters? I don't know Stephen Fry is very famous and I have seen him advertising Trisquel GNU/Linux-libre on youtube, Bryan Lunduke also have some fame and a regular youtube program on Free Software related stuff, and probably there are plenty of people who may worth a shot to ask...
- I also think it would be worth bringing the campaign to the streets. A couple of volunteers could bring campaign stickers or flyers (https://git.fsfe.org/gergely/PMPC_QR-code_flyers) and distribute them to the passers-by. (If you are [or know] someone in Budapest who would happily join me doing that please contact me. Unfortunately, I would feel embarrassed to do this alone... :-/)
- I think putting posters to bulletin boards in universities would also be great. Lack of official posters link https://git.fsfe.org/gergely/PMPC_QR-code_flyers here too. I totally plan to do this with the linked QR-code flyers even alone but if you are in Budapest and happy to join please contact me as this is also more fun to do in pairs or in groups.
- I think the campaign should also be boosted on online platforms (forums, blogs, social media, etc). I'm only on diaspora* there I think I did my part (maybe on diaspora* most of the active users are already reached)...
- I don't know if opening and keeping alive threads about the campaign on 4chan /g/ is a good idea or not? but I can help in that... Also if you can recommend online platforms where I can help engaging in discussion about the campaign I'm happy to do so.
All in all: Keep spreading the message are way too many people to be reached!!!
What do you think?
Best, Gergely
Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
I think that more generally, this distinction makes no sense in the first place. Why is support from some organization better than support from a company?
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 11:22 Carsten Agger agger@modspil.dk wrote:
One thing that might help ever so little ...
Several of my colleagues signed the letter.
My company wanted to support the project officially, including a donation of money, and desired to have its logo listed among the "supporting organizations".
However, these can only be non-profits/civil society organizations, so we couldn't be listed as official supporters (and our CEO kept his money).
I can understand that for-profit companies are not NGOs, but why not have a section with "supporting companies"? If many signed up, it would also make a statement that actual companies working within the economy etc. support this motion.
Best
Carsten
On 12/11/2017 12:15 PM, Gergely Székely wrote:
Hi!
I worriedly watch the slowing down of the accumulation of the signatures of the Public Money Public Code open letter. I think this is a great campaign that should reach as much people as possible and the slowing down bellow 15k signatures sort of suggest that its spreading started fading way too soon.
Maybe we (FSFE volunteers, supporters, and members) should give the campaign an extra push. I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of people haven't even heard about the campaign yet.
Some ideas:
- Can't we know and get some celebrities of relatively famous guys
sympathizing with Free Software who may openly support the camping and attract others to join as supporters? I don't know Stephen Fry is very famous and I have seen him advertising Trisquel GNU/Linux-libre on youtube, Bryan Lunduke also have some fame and a regular youtube program on Free Software related stuff, and probably there are plenty of people who may worth a shot to ask...
- I also think it would be worth bringing the campaign to the streets.
A couple of volunteers could bring campaign stickers or flyers ( https://git.fsfe.org/gergely/PMPC_QR-code_flyers) and distribute them to the passers-by. (If you are [or know] someone in Budapest who would happily join me doing that please contact me. Unfortunately, I would feel embarrassed to do this alone... :-/)
- I think putting posters to bulletin boards in universities would
also be great. Lack of official posters link https://git.fsfe.org/gergely/PMPC_QR-code_flyers here too. I totally plan to do this with the linked QR-code flyers even alone but if you are in Budapest and happy to join please contact me as this is also more fun to do in pairs or in groups.
- I think the campaign should also be boosted on online platforms
(forums, blogs, social media, etc). I'm only on diaspora* there I think I did my part (maybe on diaspora* most of the active users are already reached)...
- I don't know if opening and keeping alive threads about the campaign
on 4chan /g/ is a good idea or not? but I can help in that... Also if you can recommend online platforms where I can help engaging in discussion about the campaign I'm happy to do so.
All in all: Keep spreading the message are way too many people to be reached!!!
What do you think?
Best, Gergely
Discussion mailing listDiscussion@lists.fsfe.orghttps://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
On Wednesday 13. December 2017 11.35.47 Mirko Boehm wrote:
I think that more generally, this distinction makes no sense in the first place. Why is support from some organization better than support from a company?
Not being involved in formulating this campaign, I can only speculate that it might be due to companies being perceived as having a reason to support the campaign if they stand to benefit from it, as opposed to society in general or other people benefiting if another kind of organisation supports it.
That said, such restrictions have not stopped corporations from incubating their own non-profit or "interest" organisations for lobbying purposes, with one coming to mind almost immediately from recent times:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairSearch
So, maybe letting companies support campaigns is good for transparency, even if it might give an impression of self-interest amongst those companies.
Paul
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 01:41:23PM +0100, Paul Boddie wrote: ...
So, maybe letting companies support campaigns is good for transparency, even if it might give an impression of self-interest amongst those companies.
well, we already did that in the past [0].
the only question for me is: should we somehow group the copanies and the ngos together or not?
also: even the ngos each have their own motications to support a campaigns, the only question is, what their motivations are (for companies, the thoughts about finacial gains might be stronger...but htat is also not given)
regards, albert
[0] https://fsfe.org/activities/radiodirective/statement.en.html
On 12/13/2017 03:00 PM, Albert Dengg wrote:
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 01:41:23PM +0100, Paul Boddie wrote: ...
So, maybe letting companies support campaigns is good for transparency, even if it might give an impression of self-interest amongst those companies.
well, we already did that in the past [0].
the only question for me is: should we somehow group the copanies and the ngos together or not?
also: even the ngos each have their own motications to support a campaigns, the only question is, what their motivations are (for companies, the thoughts about finacial gains might be stronger...but htat is also not given)
Another reason to allow companies to be listed as supporting the campaign is this:
In my company we still hear this incredulous, absurd "But how do you make your money?" question when telling people that we, as a software house, will only deliver software under a free license. I think Bill Gates (and others too) poisoned the minds of a lot of people with his nonsense about how you can't do free software if you "have a company" that is to "pay salaries and taxes".
If a company who's delivering software to the public sector is listed as supporting this campaign, they are, apart from presumably having supported the campaign financially, effectively saying that they *don't want* the option of delivering software under a non-free license which is still, I think, an important point to make in the minds of many.
best Carsten
Hello Carsten,
* Carsten Agger [2017-12-13 11:21 +0100]:
One thing that might help ever so little ...
Several of my colleagues signed the letter.
My company wanted to support the project officially, including a donation of money, and desired to have its logo listed among the "supporting organizations".
However, these can only be non-profits/civil society organizations, so we couldn't be listed as official supporters (and our CEO kept his money).
That's sad to hear that this prevented your CEO from supporting the activity with a donation. Companies which wanted to sign the letter should have received an e-mail from us in which we appreciated their interest but told them that we can only concentrate on non-profit organisations at first. We also highlighted that in the future there might be opportunity for companies to sign, and that we would love them to inform their employees and joining us as a donor to support the activity.
If you CEO wants to reconsider (or others here want to make a one time donation), here the link: https://fsfe.org/fellowship/ams/donate.php?ams=donate
Quick background for this decision is:
* We were very tight on the timing. So we concentrated on getting support by well known organisations in our field on the EU level or EU members states. * We already had problems to keep up adding other organisations, because a lot of smaller organisations (e.g. Linux User Groups) wanted to sign and at the moment there is still too much manual work involved in this. * We did not want to add companies and give visibility to a few very fast ones. * When the media and the general public is checking the website we considered it more important that they recognise the signatures and that they can mobilise many people to sign, instead of having more org signatures.
I can understand that for-profit companies are not NGOs, but why not have a section with "supporting companies"? If many signed up, it would also make a statement that actual companies working within the economy etc. support this motion.
We received requests by some companies, but the amount would not have been impressive to add to the website.
But for the future we have the following ideas: * We plan to have different categories (local, national, international organisations/companies/public administrations) so we can display the signing organisations differently on the website, or when we contact politicians in certain areas. * It should become less time consuming to add new org/company signatures to the website, that way we can have more small groups to sign up, too. * For companies: it would be good to have companies who publicly support it, so we can also show this to politicians. But most likely we would first have a certain amount of companies from different areas and sizes. We will also still need to discuss how and if to have them on the website, or if we will mainly list them when contacting politicians. * More public administrations: we did not approach any until now, but the City of Barcelona heard about it and signed the open letter, and yesterday a local authority from Germany asked how to sign.
Hope that helps to understand the reasoning.
Best Regards, Matthias
Hi all,
# Matthias Kirschner [2017-12-15 14:27 +0100]:
But for the future we have the following ideas:
- We plan to have different categories (local, national, international organisations/companies/public administrations) so we can display the signing organisations differently on the website, or when we contact politicians in certain areas.
I just created an issue for the PMPC website covering this idea because it seems to be the right time to tackle this. Organising the different non-individual entities will make it much easier for us to add companies, small local organisations, and public administrations. This is something we didn't have the time for back then:
https://git.fsfe.org/pmpc/website/issues/208
Please share your thoughts in the issue, and if you have time over the festive season I'd love to receive Pull Requests for the different sub-issues. If you struggle with certain Hugo-related problems please feel free to contact me and I'll be happy to help :)
Best, Max
@all: Thanks for sharing your feedback about PMPC!