"May be you don't think the two things are linked."
As far as I am concerned this list is about the IFSO and issues pertaining to the IFSO. The article you posted in my opinion had no direct relevance to any of these issues. If a story about software patents in Europe got posted to indymedia.ie then I would be interested in hearing about that. I take your point and agree with you about the issues raised in the article having some connection to the issues raised on this list but in my opinion indymedia and sites like it are the correct place to raise these connections and not the IFSO list. Why ? Because Indymedia deals with general news and the IFSO list deals with a very specific set of issues. Dealing with issues relating to the IFSO's cause but which are not directly addressed by the IFSO is all fine and good up to a certain point but you don't want to lose focus by starting arguments between people who may or may not have different opinions on issues not relating to the IFSO.
"This I find unusual but I haven't lived in Ireland since '87 so I don't really know what's cool and what's not. I suppose even back then I'd have got a different response from my mates in Dalkey / Killiney as I would to those from Finglass ... or some parts of Dun Laoghaire say."
???.
-Harry
On Feb 11, 2004, at 5:41 PM, Adam Moran wrote:
Hi Harry,
Harry Tormey wrote: Ok fair enough but what's this got to do with the ifso or any of the issues the ifso raises?
It concerns this: http://ifso.info/projects/swpats.html
May be you don't think the two things are linked. This I find unusual but I haven't lived in Ireland since '87 so I don't really know what's cool and what's not. I suppose even back then I'd have got a different response from my mates in Dalkey / Killiney as I would to those from Finglass ... or some parts of Dun Laoghaire say.
Anyway, my reason for posting on this subject follows my thread of thought here (last paragraph):
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-ie/2004-January/000656.html
(I read James' reply and take his point).
I do stuff for IMC and forget that some folk tend to keep stuff seperate.
All the best
-- Adam
_______________________________________________ fsfe-ie@fsfeurope.org mailing list List information: http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/fsfe-ie Public archive: https://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-ie
Hi Harry,
Dealing with issues relating to the IFSO's cause but which are not directly addressed by the IFSO is all fine and good up to a certain point but you don't want to lose focus by starting arguments between people who may or may not have different opinions on issues not relating to the IFSO.
I take your point; this is the last thing I would want also.
I think you would be surprised though at how much support we would get from IMC if we explained the case well enough.
I raised the swpats issue some time ago here with IMC and was encouraged to write an article; i didn't find the time - if I get the chance I post for sure. This group, http://www.irishdemocrat.co.uk/ has also said they would like to know more.
I told people here http://www.centre.public.org.uk/ as well in the hope that they would be interested in some work. In my head I made an analogy between Privatisation of the Public Sector and swpat; they are too busy in any case with other stuff, and I sussed that although their work is second to none when it comes to economic analysis, they would not have time to get up to speed within the time available.
In any case, I doubt with all their experience that they could have cooked the content to the quality produced by this list. Even though the general nature of swpats is well rehearsed, who gets what email, letter, phone call, fax, personal contact and otherwise cajoling is sometimes a matter of alchemy.
I and other folk here have raised this issue with our MPs and MEPs in the uk and elsewhere. Same old same-old mainly ... but at least some understanding and consequential moral support from one or two.
To be frank I find it difficult not to mention swpats - my work mates think its funny, but just like everyone in this new industry who are conscious of this legislation, we treat these things seriously.
I'm writing like one of the converted aren't I - sorry if I annoy anyone - it's not my intention.
???.
Just memories of a different time and particular mates and I rushed an email ... malformed-memory-packets no doubt, which should be reshaped ... I didn't mean to confuse.
-- Adam
Oh David ... I use vi if its relevant ?