Hi,
Since the wiki was moved to a new server it hasn't been mailing this list every morning, because I never installed my little script for that.
If nobody says anything to me then I'll leave things as they are, and assume interested parties have subscribed to the RSS feed[1] (which is re-enabled as of about 10 minutes ago. Had to upgrade the PyXML libraries).
http://www.ifso.ie/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc&ddiffs=1...
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Glenn -- any chance it could use something like http://jmason.org/software/patches/moin-1.2.2-jm-commitmails.patch ? it's really much more useful as it sends the full diffs of changes to the list, which is a good way to spur discussion.
- --j.
Glenn Strong writes:
Hi,
Since the wiki was moved to a new server it hasn't been mailing this list every morning, because I never installed my little script for that.
If nobody says anything to me then I'll leave things as they are, and assume interested parties have subscribed to the RSS feed[1] (which is re-enabled as of about 10 minutes ago. Had to upgrade the PyXML libraries).
http://www.ifso.ie/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc&ddiffs=1...
On Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:48 -0700, Justin Mason wrote:
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Glenn -- any chance it could use something like http://jmason.org/software/patches/moin-1.2.2-jm-commitmails.patch:539 ? it's really much more useful as it sends the full diffs of changes to the list, which is a good way to spur discussion.
The patch looks fine to me (it's against an earlier version but I can see how to hand-apply it in our version). I'm slightly concerned about sending a large volume of unwanted mail to this list (there were 21 edits today, although some of them were flagged trivial and didn't generate any mail).
It's definitely true that getting the diffs is more useful than just seeing the one-line edit comment (which is why I get email for every edit).
(sidebar - I'm only guessing at the use from the example - which has your email address as the target - but couldn't you just subscribe to "all pages+trivial edits" to get the same effect? Apologies if I've misunderstood what it does)
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Glenn Strong writes:
On Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:48 -0700, Justin Mason wrote:
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Glenn -- any chance it could use something like http://jmason.org/software/patches/moin-1.2.2-jm-commitmails.patch:539 ? it's really much more useful as it sends the full diffs of changes to the list, which is a good way to spur discussion.
The patch looks fine to me (it's against an earlier version but I can see how to hand-apply it in our version). I'm slightly concerned about sending a large volume of unwanted mail to this list (there were 21 edits today, although some of them were flagged trivial and didn't generate any mail).
Yeah, it can be a little noisy. That being a problem depends on the list in question; if it is, maybe a new list is the best approach.
My take on it is that the wiki becomes an extension of the list, in a way - -- discussions on the wiki get "mirrored" to the list, and can fork off into list-only chats. in my opinion it's very useful.
It's definitely true that getting the diffs is more useful than just seeing the one-line edit comment (which is why I get email for every edit).
(sidebar - I'm only guessing at the use from the example - which has your email address as the target - but couldn't you just subscribe to "all pages+trivial edits" to get the same effect? Apologies if I've misunderstood what it does)
Unfortunately that doesn't protect against spam or malicious edits; an editor can "silence" those change messages. they can't silence these ones.
- --j.
On Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 11:32 -0700, Justin Mason wrote:
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The patch looks fine to me (it's against an earlier version but I can see how to hand-apply it in our version). I'm slightly concerned about sending a large volume of unwanted mail to this list (there were 21 edits today, although some of them were flagged trivial and didn't generate any mail).
Yeah, it can be a little noisy. That being a problem depends on the list in question; if it is, maybe a new list is the best approach.
My take on it is that the wiki becomes an extension of the list, in a way
- -- discussions on the wiki get "mirrored" to the list, and can fork off
into list-only chats. in my opinion it's very useful.
I do agree with the utility, and if folks here want to tie the list and the wiki together a little more that's OK by me (in fact I think it would be pretty good). It'll be noisy enough that I don't want to just impose it, though. At peak usage, say when a letter draft or similar is being finished, there can be dozens of (non-trivial) edits in a day, sustained over several days.
(sidebar - I'm only guessing at the use from the example - which has your email address as the target - but couldn't you just subscribe to "all pages+trivial edits" to get the same effect? Apologies if I've misunderstood what it does)
Unfortunately that doesn't protect against spam or malicious edits; an editor can "silence" those change messages. they can't silence these ones.
Indeed, that problem existed in all earlier versions of MoinMoin. The current version lets you tick a "subscribe to trivial changes" box in your user preferences. That removes the editors ability to suppress email alerts.
(PS - sorry about my last post entering hyphenspace there, I must be tired).
Glenn Strong Glenn.Strong@cs.tcd.ie writes:
On Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:48 -0700, Justin Mason wrote:
http://jmason.org/software/patches/moin-1.2.2-jm-commitmails.patch:539 ?
I'm slightly concerned about sending a large volume of unwanted mail to this list
I think the old 1 mail per day -- when changes have been made that day -- was just right.
If that mail could include a diff, that would be a bonus, but a mail for every change would be too much, IMO. And as mentioned, the mail-per-change can be achieved at the wiki user's choice by subscribing to regex .*
I'm slightly concerned about sending a large volume of unwanted mail to this list
I think the old 1 mail per day -- when changes have been made that day -- was just right.
If that mail could include a diff, that would be a bonus, but a mail for every change would be too much, IMO. And as mentioned, the mail-per-change can be achieved at the wiki user's choice by subscribing to regex .*
If lurkers' opinions are being taken account of, I would support this solution. I like the idea of the daily notification email including a diff as Justin makes a good case for this at http://taint.org/2004/09/28/191712a.html and I'd like to see this cross-pollination between the two communication media in operation.
I'll now go back to lurking mode pending my getting enough free time to get involved in the promotion of the IFSO CD other easily distributed free software collections.
Keep up the good work, folks. -Anthony
On Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 00:51 +0100, Anthony wrote:
I'm slightly concerned about sending a large volume of unwanted mail to this list
I think the old 1 mail per day -- when changes have been made that day -- was just right.
If that mail could include a diff, that would be a bonus, but a mail for every change would be too much, IMO.
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If lurkers' opinions are being taken account of,
Everyone on the list would receive the mails, so yes lurkers opinions are welcome.
I would support this solution. I like the idea of the daily notification email including a diff as Justin makes a good case for this at http://taint.org/2004/09/28/191712a.html and I'd like to see this cross-pollination between the two communication media in operation.
OK, there's a clear consensus that mail should go to this list, and that it should include diffs. That's fine by me. I'll knock something together to do that.
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Glenn Strong writes:
On Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 00:51 +0100, Anthony wrote:
I would support this solution. I like the idea of the daily notification email including a diff as Justin makes a good case for this at http://taint.org/2004/09/28/191712a.html and I'd like to see this cross-pollination between the two communication media in operation.
OK, there's a clear consensus that mail should go to this list, and that it should include diffs. That's fine by me. I'll knock something together to do that.
excellent! thanks Glenn.
(ps: I was thinking about how one would collate diffs into a single daily posting; if you haven't already got something together, here's what I was considering, if it might be helpful. 1. set the wiki up to mail all diffs to a mailing list; 2. create that list; 3. subscribe *this* list to *that* mailing list, in digest mode, set to receive one digest mail per day.)
- --j.
On Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 10:20 -0700, Justin Mason wrote:
OK, there's a clear consensus that mail should go to this list, and that it should include diffs. That's fine by me. I'll knock something together to do that.
excellent! thanks Glenn.
No problem. Luckily for me it turned out to be easy.
(ps: I was thinking about how one would collate diffs into a single daily posting; if you haven't already got something together, here's what I was considering, if it might be helpful. 1. set the wiki up to mail all diffs to a mailing list; 2. create that list; 3. subscribe *this* list to *that* mailing list, in digest mode, set to receive one digest mail per day.)
That would certainly do the trick.
I was actually gearing up to hack some python thing together when I found that there's already an option to include diffs in the RSS feed!
Exactly how you're supposed to find out about it I'm not sure. I found it by looking the source for the MoinMoin rss generator, though it's also mentioned in the feed itself (there's a comment at the top of the XML document).
Anyway, email reports on the wiki will resume tomorrow morning at 8am, listing changes from this moment onwards. Diffs will be included.