Hey folks,
(Just cross posting to pm-campaign list to let you all know that we are here! Won't spam you all in the future :))
So, it's all a bit of mess right now as I'm still going down the rabbit hole. I'll create a log for this to try to draw up some goals and key points.
1) I've tried to follow up on a dataset request on data.gov.ie:
data.gov.ie/dataset/suggest/2df8f1b4-43d1-4702-a1ab-a971a822e394
Please do comment, 'like' and/or recommend improvements. If there are other requests we can make, please do recommend. I don't mind to write up the request and find the corresponding sector body.
2) I think I've found the relevant software procurement sites?
https://www.procurement.ie https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/supplier/publictenders
Are there others?
For example, the upcoming Q1,2,3 ICT contracts are listed in:
https://www.procurement.ie/news/2939
I could only link one working eTender (107504 is missing!?):
https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/rwlentrance_s.asp?PID=98826&PP=ctm/Sup...
Regarding the listed 'Mini Competitions from existing Frameworks':
https://www.procurement.ie/news/2735
If you CTRL-F for 'software' in the 'q3_2016.pdf', you can see some mysterious companies winning contracts. I have no idea who CapricornVentis Ltd. are but they just won a 12 million euro contract to build a 'CRM software as an On Premises solution' and a 'CRM software as a SaaS/Cloud solution'. No mention of software licensing in any of the documents.
It is useful that all of this is online. I think we need some guerilla open data initiative here to pull out relevant stuff ;) Anyone interested?
3) The LGMA OPSC seems to be on the right track:
I'm not sure if 'local level' means they don't make big decisions but I think we should find out exactly what they do and by what criteria they judge whether to go free/non-free. Who are the other moving parts? Is it just the LGMA? Need to find that out. I think they might have a pretty good view of the government software situation. For example:
Active Directory Integration The deployment of open source solutions within the local authority LAN has always been put off by the fears of its inability to liaise with Active Directory (AD) and other Microsoft products that depend on it.
Microsoft! Sharpen your pitch forks!
4) Kildarestreet.com seems to be useful:
https://www.kildarestreet.com/search/?s=%22open+source%22 https://www.kildarestreet.com/search/?s=%22free+software%22
The "free software" search being a telling sign. But at least someone said it! Who are they? ;) An interesting conversation was:
https://www.kildarestreet.com/committees/?id=2016-09-14a.393&s=%22open+s...
With:
such as the health cloud first solution, which will release money that
is spent locally. This means that money can then be spent in those local hospitals and on mental health and community organisations.
Following from that, we could consider the current crises that the state is facing and see what role technology is playing in this and how Free Software can free costs for other badly needed services. The health system is a prime example.
But this site could be better. Where is the data coming from? If we had better access, we could wire up a scanner for useful keywords.
Best,
Luke
Hi Luke,
Thanks for pulling all this information together.
3) The LGMA OPSC seems to be on the right track:
http://www.lgma.ie/en/OSPC
This is encouraging; I wonder whether there are up-to-date reports on how those projects are going.
Also encouraging was an event from March 2016, which I passed on to the FSFE list at the time:
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The Office of Public Works recently organised a day-long seminar 'Open for Business v.2.0' [edited 20170215: Looks like it was jointly organised with the Irish Software Innovation Network: http://www.isin.ie/go/news_events/events/open-for-business-v-2-0] with the following speakers:
Keynote Speaker: Mark Taylor, Sirius Martin Troy, Dept. of Public Expenditure & Reform / Eoin Mc Cuirc, Central Statistics Office: Open Data in Ireland Tim Willoughby, LGMA & Giovanni Tumarello, Siren: Use of Open Source Data Intelligence & Case tracking in LGMA Eoghan Mc Carthy, NUIM: Dublin Dashboard and AIRO Alan Mc Nab, MD of Arista networks: Why Open Source is important to Arista Dr. Mihai Bilauca, Limerick City & County Council: How Open Source changed customer service delivery Gijs Hillenius: Open Source across the EU [http://www.hillenius.com/dublin -2016/index.html] Vincent Hussey, Office of Public Works: Use of Open Source tools in river monitoring Ray Pierce, Garda Siochana: Open source case tracking Cleo O' Beirne, Revenue Commissioners: Enterprise Search tools Closing Locknote: Joe Dromgoole, MongoDB: NoSQL
The seminar took place on 2 March [2016] and had the tagline 'open source, open standards and open data'.
Summaries of some of the talks:
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/open-source- lets-irish-taxes-scale-it-solutions https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/ireland-national-library- open-source-everywhere https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/%E2%80%98ope n-source-essential-government-modernisation%E2%80%99
Hey Ben,
Thanks for linking to the March event. It seems there is *a lot* of leads to follow up on there, which is great. More detective work to be done ;) At least it is interesting!
I wonder whether there are up-to-date reports
I'm trying to wrangle someone into meeting me from the OSPC. Will update if it works out and hopefully someone can join me!
Luke
On 15.02.2017 20:44, Ben North wrote:
Hi Luke,
Thanks for pulling all this information together.
3) The LGMA OPSC seems to be on the right track: http://www.lgma.ie/en/OSPCThis is encouraging; I wonder whether there are up-to-date reports on how those projects are going.
Also encouraging was an event from March 2016, which I passed on to the FSFE list at the time:
- 8< - - - -
The Office of Public Works recently organised a day-long seminar 'Open for Business v.2.0' [edited 20170215: Looks like it was jointly organised with the Irish Software Innovation Network: http://www.isin.ie/go/news_events/events/open-for-business-v-2-0] with the following speakers:
Keynote Speaker: Mark Taylor, Sirius Martin Troy, Dept. of Public Expenditure & Reform / Eoin Mc Cuirc, Central Statistics Office: Open Data in Ireland Tim Willoughby, LGMA & Giovanni Tumarello, Siren: Use of Open Source Data Intelligence & Case tracking in LGMA Eoghan Mc Carthy, NUIM: Dublin Dashboard and AIRO Alan Mc Nab, MD of Arista networks: Why Open Source is important to Arista Dr. Mihai Bilauca, Limerick City & County Council: How Open Source changed customer service delivery Gijs Hillenius: Open Source across the EU [http://www.hillenius.com/dublin-2016/index.html http://www.hillenius.com/dublin-2016/index.html] Vincent Hussey, Office of Public Works: Use of Open Source tools in river monitoring Ray Pierce, Garda Siochana: Open source case tracking Cleo O' Beirne, Revenue Commissioners: Enterprise Search tools Closing Locknote: Joe Dromgoole, MongoDB: NoSQL
The seminar took place on 2 March [2016] and had the tagline 'open source, open standards and open data'.
Summaries of some of the talks:
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/open-source-lets-irish-taxes... https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/open-source-lets-irish-taxes-scale-it-solutions https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/ireland-national-library-ope... https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/ireland-national-library-open-source-everywhere https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/%E2%80%98open-source-essenti... https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/%E2%80%98open-source-essential-government-modernisation%E2%80%99
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Hi Luke,
I wonder whether there are up-to-date reports [on the OSPC's projects]
I'm trying to wrangle someone into meeting me from the OSPC. Will update if it works out and hopefully someone can join me!
That would be great. Thanks!
Ben.
This arrived shortly after my last mail :|
Good afternoon Luke,
Unfortunately, due to resource constraints the project is no longer operational.
We will remove the section from the website.
Regards
Claire Gilligan Assistant CEO Programme Management Division Local Government Management Agency An Ghníomhaireacht Bainistíochta Rialtais Áitiúl D08 XKP7 Mobile: 087 2412073 Email: cgilligan@lgma.ie
Tried to follow up by mail and phone, but no one is home. I can't find any information online about the closing of this project. Or, further information as to the 'resource constraints'.
Luke
On 16.02.2017 15:21, Ben North wrote:
Hi Luke,
I wonder whether there are up-to-date reports [on the OSPC's projects]
I'm trying to wrangle someone into meeting me from the OSPC. Will update if it works out and hopefully someone can join me!
That would be great. Thanks!
Ben.
Unfortunately, due to resource constraints the [Open Source Practice Centre] project is no longer operational.
That's disappointing. If you do manage to get hold of someone on the phone, it would be good to get some further background. Looks like they were doing some good work there. Thanks for digging, anyway.
Hi Luke, hi Ireland!
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 02:03:44AM +0000, Luke Murphy wrote:
Hey folks,
(Just cross posting to pm-campaign list to let you all know that we are here! Won't spam you all in the future :))
Good thing you did :) Happy to see you there and active! Any plans to make your activities more visible on the pages of fsfe.org?
I've tried to follow up on a dataset request on data.gov.ie:
data.gov.ie/dataset/suggest/2df8f1b4-43d1-4702-a1ab-a971a822e394
Please do comment, 'like' and/or recommend improvements. If there are
In the field "Potential use" I'd rather seen something along the lines of "stay in control of processes and upgrade cycles" than "Preventing closed-source procurements" as the latter needs an explanation why it's a good thing to prevent it. And stating what you are _for_ X is generally perceived better than stating what you are against Y.
Greetings,
Guido
Hi Guido! Thanks for the advice! Yes, a few people have told me this but unfortunately, I can't edit the submission again (I thought it was possible :|). It's a good point you make and I'll keep it in mind in the future!
Luke
On 17.02.2017 23:48, Guido Arnold wrote:
Hi Luke, hi Ireland!
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 02:03:44AM +0000, Luke Murphy wrote:
Hey folks,
(Just cross posting to pm-campaign list to let you all know that we are here! Won't spam you all in the future :))
Good thing you did :) Happy to see you there and active! Any plans to make your activities more visible on the pages of fsfe.org?
I've tried to follow up on a dataset request on data.gov.ie:
data.gov.ie/dataset/suggest/2df8f1b4-43d1-4702-a1ab-a971a822e394
Please do comment, 'like' and/or recommend improvements. If there are
In the field "Potential use" I'd rather seen something along the lines of "stay in control of processes and upgrade cycles" than "Preventing closed-source procurements" as the latter needs an explanation why it's a good thing to prevent it. And stating what you are _for_ X is generally perceived better than stating what you are against Y.
Greetings,
Guido