pdfreaders January 2011

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URGENT Free software PDF REaders for forms
by Maelle Costa 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Hi ! More and more institutions are sending comments to the campaign that they can't recommand any of the readers of pdfreaders.org because they are not able to deal properly with forms. Some alreaydy tested several readers, it turns out that Evince seems to be the closest to work (it's possible to fill the form, but not to do the Input-checking routine (Eingabeprüfroutine). Does someone here have a response clue, or do we have to concede that here we can't propose any alternative ? Thanks a lot for your input Regards -- Maëlle Costa Free Software Foundation Europe - intern im : maelle(a)jabber.fsfe.org

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Fwd: PDF forms
by Maelle Costa 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Can someone answer that ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: PDF forms Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:28:05 +0100 From: Rikard Fröberg <rfroberg(a)gmail.com> To: feedback(a)pdfreaders.org Hello! I'm curious about what your views are on PDFs with forms? In Sweden, where I live, authorities increasingly offer application forms in the format of an editable PDF with forms (javascript-based, I think) to the citizens. Problem is, eventhough they offer PDF (which is better than many other editable formats ;-) ), they offer PDFs which, due to the form and editableness only open correctly in Adobe Reader :( An example of such a PDF can be found here, at the Swedish Police: http://polisen.se/Vastra_Gotaland/sv/Service/Blanketter/Tillstand/Vanliga-b… I've found no free software able to open it other than displaying: "To view the full contents of this document, you need a later version of the PDF viewer. You can upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Reader from www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html For further support, go to www.adobe.com/support/products/acrreader.html" and the tools I've tried so far include various transformation software, so the lack of support for PDF forms seems to be within the PDF libs available, and not only in different GUI applications. No on-line tool that I tried has worked either (including Adobes own on-line reader) - all either complain about the file being a PDF form, or simply displaying the note to upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Reader. Do you know of any piece of free software that is able to open such PDF files? Being able to edit and save the edits is not crucial to me, so just displaying the form would suffice. Only way I've been able to transform such PDFs into PDF files readable to free software implementations of PDF readers is to actually use Acrobat Reader to open the file, print to PostScript file, transform to PDF using ps2pdf and then uninstalling Acrobat Reader of course ;-) I find it troublesome that Swedish authorities and government agencies are using this file format for applications more and more, leaving no free alternative - that I've found - for the citizens to use, which means that the authorities forces people who want to use the Internet to find and fill in applications to download and install proprietary software from one particular vendor. Part of the problem might of course be that Adobe made such a decision as to allow PDFs to be editable and did not implement it in a way that was easy to port to other software implementations. Do you know if this form of PDFs are well documented and standardized and if we can expect free software readers to work with it in the future, or is it a proprietary extension of the PDF format that has no clear and standard published specification? Thanks anyway for the great work you've done so far with the PDFreaders project! Kind regards Rikard Fröberg Sweden _______________________________________________ Pdfreaders mailing list Pdfreaders(a)lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/pdfreaders

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Re: 1 more for Greece and some comments
by Maelle Costa 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Hi Kostas ! Thanks for your input. Nice to see you're still with us on this campaign ! On 01/14/2011 05:26 PM, Kostas Boukouvalas wrote: > For the Foundation of Public Insurances > <http://www.ika.gr/gr/infopages/downloads/home.cfm> please add the > comment that "Proprietary software advertisment removed". I have added this comment > For Οργανισμός Περίθαλψης Ασφαλισμένων του Δημοσίου > <http://www.opad.gr/html/elegktiria.htm> (2nd from bottom) please > "green" it and add the comment that "added a link to pdfreaders.org". Thanks for signalling that one, I would never have guess that there was a link there ... :) I updated the list ! Regards -- Maëlle Costa Free Software Foundation Europe - intern im : maelle(a)jabber.fsfe.org

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Solved bugs in Russia
by Sergey Matveev 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Greetings, I checked some bugs and found that: * "Региональное представительство Центра Тестирования города Ульяновска" (http://rpct.ulstu.ru/, by Vladimir Petukhov on 2010-09-13) does not contain any proprietary software advertisement. At least I did not succeed finding it. * "Правительство Москвы" (http://www.mos.ru/wps/portal/WebContent?rubricId=2949, by IFI on 2010-09-13) answers 404 page. The whole website contains PDF documents (for example http://www.mos.ru/documents/?id_4=126347) but no proprietary software advertisement (again, I did not find it :-)). * "Центральная избирательная комиссия Российской Федерации" (http://www.cikrf.ru/books/sbornik.jsp, by me on 2010-09-13) answers 404 page and has no similar kind of section anymore. * "Государственное общеобразовательное учреждение Средняя общеобразовательная школа 559 с углубленным изучением физики и математики Выборгского района г.Санкт-Петербурга (http://www.school559.spb.ru/ourschool/magazin.php, by Ineiev on 2010-10-11) links to domain that can not be resolved. * "Администрация Томской области" (http://tomsk.gov.ru/ru/housing_communal_services/documents/, by Ineiev on 2010-10-11) does not contain any bad advertisement. -- Happy hacking, Sergey Matveev O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org

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[PDFReaders] petition signature
by web＠fsfeurope.org 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

A new PDFReaders petition signature has been submitted. Please validate and use the following XML snippet if appropriate: --- <sig name="Mikkel Kirkgaard" surname="Nielsen" email="list_fsfe_pdf_petition(a)mikini.dk" group="" country="Denmark" nl=[X] date="2011-01-16" /> ---

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[PDFReaders] petition signature
by web＠fsfeurope.org 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

A new PDFReaders petition signature has been submitted. Please validate and use the following XML snippet if appropriate: --- <sig name="Kristian" surname="Kankainen" email="kristian.kankainen(a)ut.ee" group="" country="Estonia" nl=[ ] date="2011-01-16" /> ---

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[PDFReaders] petition signature
by web＠fsfeurope.org 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

A new PDFReaders petition signature has been submitted. Please validate and use the following XML snippet if appropriate: --- <sig name="Tony" surname="Roma" email="tonyroma71(a)gmail.com" group="" country="Italy" nl=[X] date="2011-01-16" /> ---

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[PDFReaders] petition signature
by web＠fsfeurope.org 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

A new PDFReaders petition signature has been submitted. Please validate and use the following XML snippet if appropriate: --- <sig name="Greg K" surname="Nicholson" email="greg(a)gkn.me.uk" group="" country="United Kingdom" nl=[X] date="2011-01-15" /> ---

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[Fwd: Richiesta informazioni su Comunicazione Pubblicità a Software Proprietari]
by Massimo Barbieri 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

Hi, in my last email, about Open Standards I mentioned a letter we sent to the Municipality of Scandiano. I put a link of a newspaper article instead of the letter. > 2) They say: "Your proposal to include multiple options, although > interesting and correct point of view, it is difficult to implement on a > technical level [...]. Please note that the list of options recommended > by you must be multiplied for the file. doc. xls. dwg, etc ... We ask > for a "technical" suggestion on the implementation of a web page > containing this type and quantity of information that meets both > requirements of accessibility and usability." > > I think that I could write theme that Public Institution should not use > proprietary file. I can extract some part from the letter we recently > send to Comune di Scandiano about Opens Standard [2]. What do you > think? Please let me know. Here is the right link of the letter: [2] http://lug.42019.it/images/f/f9/Lettera_standard_aperti_comune_scandiano.pdf ciao, Massimo -- IM: massimo(a)jabber.fsfe.org

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[PDFReaders] petition signature
by web＠fsfeurope.org 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

A new PDFReaders petition signature has been submitted. Please validate and use the following XML snippet if appropriate: --- <sig name="Rikard" surname="Fröberg" email="rikard(a)ffkp.se" group="FFKP - Society for Free Culture & Software" country="Sweden" nl=[X] date="2011-01-14" /> ---

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