Hello,
i would ask you to remove Yap as a Windows program. It does not seem, as an exe file could be downloaded.
Also there is no MacOS Xpdf GUI version, so that link should be removed too.
KPDF (did not see it anymore in kdegraphics) should be removed as well, to me it seems Okular has replaced it completely.
For MacOS i found more PDF readers, but i don't have an Apple machine: - http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/ - http://code.google.com/p/formulatepro/
http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/ would require multiple installation steps, so it might no be that useful for regular users.
http://wwwthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/~plass/gv/ was last updated 1997, so does it make any sense to still have it in the list? The latest version of http://home.gna.org/gsimageapps/ is already from 2005 ;)
You can check popularity for the different platforms via: Windows: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo... Mac: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo... Linux: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo...
Feel free to add BePDF, MuPDF, Xpdf and Yap to the site if you like.
Best Regards Stefan Furtmayr
Hi all,
* Stefan Furtmayr sf@pfaffenhofen.de [2010-01-06 22:12:26 +0100]:
i would ask you to remove Yap as a Windows program. It does not seem, as an exe file could be downloaded.
I think we should explain here the GNUstep thing.
Also there is no MacOS Xpdf GUI version, so that link should be removed too.
Also here.
KPDF (did not see it anymore in kdegraphics) should be removed as well, to me it seems Okular has replaced it completely.
Should we contact the KDE people and ask if we should now remove KPDF? Adriaan, what do you think?
For MacOS i found more PDF readers, but i don't have an Apple machine:
Standard reply. (Should we start an FAQ in the Fellowship wiki?).
Can someone check that out.
http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/ would require multiple installation steps, so it might no be that useful for regular users.
The main feature afaik is not being a pdf reader.
http://wwwthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/~plass/gv/ was last updated 1997, so does it make any sense to still have it in the list? The latest version of http://home.gna.org/gsimageapps/ is already from 2005 ;)
Why shouldn't we list old software which is still used?
You can check popularity for the different platforms via: Windows: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo... Mac: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo... Linux: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo...
Feel free to add BePDF, MuPDF, Xpdf and Yap to the site if you like.
I will not add it. We have enough to do on pdfreaders ;)
Best wishes, Matthias
Matthias Kirschner mk@fsfe.org writes:
- Stefan Furtmayr sf@pfaffenhofen.de [2010-01-06 22:12:26 +0100]:
KPDF (did not see it anymore in kdegraphics) should be removed as well, to me it seems Okular has replaced it completely.
Should we contact the KDE people and ask if we should now remove KPDF? Adriaan, what do you think?
http://wwwthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/~plass/gv/ was last updated 1997, so does it make any sense to still have it in the list? The latest version of http://home.gna.org/gsimageapps/ is already from 2005 ;)
Why shouldn't we list old software which is still used?
For the same reason I would keep KPDF. There are still Distributions which come with KDE3 (e.g. Debian Lenny and probably many Enterprise Distributions).
best wishes, Björn
On Monday 11 January 2010 01:10:50 pm Bjoern Schiessle wrote:
Matthias Kirschner mk@fsfe.org writes:
- Stefan Furtmayr sf@pfaffenhofen.de [2010-01-06 22:12:26 +0100]:
KPDF (did not see it anymore in kdegraphics) should be removed as well, to me it seems Okular has replaced it completely.
Should we contact the KDE people and ask if we should now remove KPDF? Adriaan, what do you think?
Keep it, as KDE 3.5 is not EOL'ed or vanished from the desktop, yet. It's just as much a viable but dated application as gv or similar.
* Adriaan de Groot groot@fsfeurope.org [2010-01-11 22:37:26 +0100]:
Should we contact the KDE people and ask if we should now remove KPDF? Adriaan, what do you think?
Keep it, as KDE 3.5 is not EOL'ed or vanished from the desktop, yet. It's just as much a viable but dated application as gv or similar.
Ok, thanks. We'll do it.
Best wishes, Matthias
Hi Stefan,
(sorry, I just realised you never got the internaly discussed answer.)
* Stefan Furtmayr sf@pfaffenhofen.de [2010-01-06 22:12:26 +0100]:
i would ask you to remove Yap as a Windows program. It does not seem, as an exe file could be downloaded.
Also there is no MacOS Xpdf GUI version, so that link should be removed too.
You need GNUstep installed for it. Than you can use it on both operating systems.
KPDF (did not see it anymore in kdegraphics) should be removed as well, to me it seems Okular has replaced it completely.
KPDF is still the KDE 3.5 default PDF reader and so not vanished from the desktop yet. That's why we still keep it.
For MacOS i found more PDF readers, but i don't have an Apple machine:
With regards to Skim, we have had long discussions on what criteria to base our selection of Free Software readers on. In the end, we decided that we would not list software that has non-free dependencies. While we appreciate that Skim itself is fully free, and enjoyed by many Mac users, it uses proprietary rendering libraries and thus does not qualify for inclusion on pdfreaders.org.
With the increasing availability of Free Software PDF rendering libraries, we hope that Skim eventually will support those, at which point we will be more than happy to include it in our list.
What dependancies does formulatepro has?
http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/ would require multiple installation steps, so it might no be that useful for regular users.
Why try to list only programs which's main function are to view PDFs. That's why we also do not list OpenOffice. As far as I see the main feature of texshop is not being a pdf reader.
http://wwwthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/~plass/gv/ was last updated 1997, so does it make any sense to still have it in the list? The latest version of http://home.gna.org/gsimageapps/ is already from 2005 ;)
We decided to list software, even if it is old, when it is still used.
You can check popularity for the different platforms via: Windows: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo... Mac: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo... Linux: http://alternativeto.net/desktop/adobe-reader/?license=opensource&platfo...
Feel free to add BePDF, MuPDF, Xpdf and Yap to the site if you like.
Thanks for letting us know.
Best wishes, Matthias