Thanks for that hint, we will fix it.
Greetings HennR
On 28.07.2010 23:29, Art and Ronda King wrote:
The link to "YAP" is broken
Pdfreaders mailing list Pdfreaders@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/pdfreaders
Arr, these guys are nuts.
gnustep.org also redirects one to the link that we have. All projects are listed here:
http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php
Please have a look at that link, there are not even able to give me a correctly listed overview of their projects.
I vote for the deletion of yap, as nobody uses it anyways.
Greets Henner
On 28.07.2010 23:29, Art and Ronda King wrote:
The link to "YAP" is broken
Pdfreaders mailing list Pdfreaders@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/pdfreaders
Hi all,
* Jan-Hendrik HennR Peters hennr@fsfe.org [2010-07-29 00:25:25 +0200]:
gnustep.org also redirects one to the link that we have. All projects are listed here:
http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php
Please have a look at that link, there are not even able to give me a correctly listed overview of their projects.
I vote for the deletion of yap, as nobody uses it anyways.
What do others think about that?
Henner, as MJR proposed yap, you could explain him the problem. He often has good connections to developers and might be able to solve the problem.
Best wishes, Matthias
On 16.08.2010 12:48, Matthias Kirschner wrote:
Hi all,
- Jan-Hendrik HennR Petershennr@fsfe.org [2010-07-29 00:25:25 +0200]:
gnustep.org also redirects one to the link that we have. All projects are listed here:
http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php
Please have a look at that link, there are not even able to give me a correctly listed overview of their projects.
I vote for the deletion of yap, as nobody uses it anyways.
What do others think about that?
Henner, as MJR proposed yap, you could explain him the problem. He often has good connections to developers and might be able to solve the problem.
Hi Matze.
You should have come with that idea before I deleted all links from all sites...
I asked and got no response for 6 days.
Well, my opinion should be clear on this, YAP is not useful for 99% of our visitors. Anyway, if anyone else thinks it's worth the time to contact the YAP admins, he can do that and roll back my changes via svn.
Greetings Henner
On Wednesday 18 August 2010 17:37:50 Jan-Hendrik "HennR" Peters wrote:
On 16.08.2010 12:48, Matthias Kirschner wrote:
Hi all,
- Jan-Hendrik HennR Petershennr@fsfe.org [2010-07-29 00:25:25
+0200]:
gnustep.org also redirects one to the link that we have. All projects are listed here:
http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php
Please have a look at that link, there are not even able to give me a correctly listed overview of their projects.
I vote for the deletion of yap, as nobody uses it anyways.
What do others think about that?
Henner, as MJR proposed yap, you could explain him the problem. He often has good connections to developers and might be able to solve the problem.
Hi Matze.
You should have come with that idea before I deleted all links from all sites...
I asked and got no response for 6 days.
Well, my opinion should be clear on this, YAP is not useful for 99% of our visitors. Anyway, if anyone else thinks it's worth the time to contact the YAP admins, he can do that and roll back my changes via svn.
I agree that yap is not useful. However I think we should develop some clear guidelines as to which readers we list and which ones we don't.
Maybe we can add a section to the about page, that reads something like this:
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Criteria
If you have come about a PDF-Reader that is not yet listed and would like us to add it, please let us know. Note that we require the following:
1) The PDF-Reader itself must be Free Software[link] and may not depend on Non-Free Software for basic functionality. In particular the component for rendering PDF must be Free Software. ¹
2) The PDF-Reader must provide basic functionality and usability to the expected visitor of PDFReaders.org, i.e. it should be available in an easy-to-use and easy-to-install manner for at least one commonly used Operating System (GNU/Linux, *BSD, [Open]Solaris, Windows, MacOS X).
3) PDFReaders.org currently focuses on the Desktop/Workstation/Laptop- platform (not mobile platforms or web-based applications), so the PDF- Reader must be available for at least one of these.
¹ E.g. Skim[link] does not meet this criterium.
---------------
What do you think?
Hi Hannes.
On 18.08.2010 21:57, Hannes Hauswedell wrote:
Criteria ... it should be available in an easy-to-use and easy-to-install manner
Which includes yap or not?
I'm fine with these criteria at all but think that we could link mobiles viewers as well if there are any. IPhone and Android phones are getting more popular every day and we should serve such users as well.
Greetings Henner
On Wednesday 18 August 2010 20:50:53 Jan-Hendrik "HennR" Peters wrote:
Hi Hannes.
On 18.08.2010 21:57, Hannes Hauswedell wrote:
Criteria
... it should be available in an
easy-to-use and easy-to-install manner
Which includes yap or not?
yap is not available in an easy-to-install manner for a major OS, so its not included. Or did I miss sth?
I'm fine with these criteria at all but think that we could link mobiles viewers as well if there are any. IPhone and Android phones are getting more popular every day and we should serve such users as well.
We should seriously consider that, but since that requires more work, it is step 2, I think. (I also think there is lots of discussion there, I for one would rather tell all iPhone users to get different hardware altogether -- even if you had the code to some iphone-pdfreader you could no excercise the freedoms since you are bound to the app-store).
Hi Henner,
* Jan-Hendrik HennR Peters hennr@fsfe.org [2010-08-18 19:37:50 +0200]:
You should have come with that idea before I deleted all links from all sites...
I am fine that you removed it. I have not seen it before I replied to your other message (there were some e-mails after my vacation ;) ).
I don't think we have to put the criteria on the website at the moment. I think it is fine if we have them for us. For yap I am not sure, if they change their website and we can again directly link to them we might add them again. I don't want to piss off Free Software developers.
Best wishes, Matthias