Hey,
If I have not missed anything, you, Ana, have taken over the signature management of the petition from Alessandro. In case I have missed anything, I am sending it to both of you and also to the list. I have couple of issues I would like to discuss.
1) Ana, I have noticed that you have added quite a few individual signatures. However, from the signature requests submitted, I think that one or two organisations have also wished to be added. In such a case the proper thing to do would be to contact the signature submitter, and confirm whether the signer would like to sign individually, for the organisation, or both. Right, Alessandro? Cc-ing the mails to the list would also be a good idea. Also, in case of organisational signatures I would make a point of asking what position the person holds in the organisation, id est whether the person actually has the authority to sign for the organisation. (Since at least one of the organisations I saw was a school in Estonia, and it struck me as a bit odd. They do not seem to be in the list yet, fortunately.)
2) Occasionally I have discovered quite a few duplicates in the signature list. E.g., 3 Holger Dyroffs. Now, I cannot say they are all duplicates, but it seems quite likely to me. First, let us try to avoid adding duplicate signatures. Furthermore, any ideas on improving the signature list in a way where we could distinguish between two persons with the same name and duplicate entries? Should we update the format and also store the e-mail address internally? All suggestions are welcome on this point.
Cheers,
On 09/01/2012 04:01 PM, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild wrote:
Hey,
If I have not missed anything, you, Ana, have taken over the signature management of the petition from Alessandro. In case I have missed anything, I am sending it to both of you and also to the list. I have couple of issues I would like to discuss.
- Ana, I have noticed that you have added quite a few individual
signatures. However, from the signature requests submitted, I think that one or two organisations have also wished to be added. In such a case the proper thing to do would be to contact the signature submitter, and confirm whether the signer would like to sign individually, for the organisation, or both. Right, Alessandro? Cc-ing the mails to the list would also be a good idea. Also, in case of organisational signatures I would make a point of asking what position the person holds in the organisation, id est whether the person actually has the authority to sign for the organisation. (Since at least one of the organisations I saw was a school in Estonia, and it struck me as a bit odd. They do not seem to be in the list yet, fortunately.)
- Occasionally I have discovered quite a few duplicates in the
signature list. E.g., 3 Holger Dyroffs. Now, I cannot say they are all duplicates, but it seems quite likely to me. First, let us try to avoid adding duplicate signatures. Furthermore, any ideas on improving the signature list in a way where we could distinguish between two persons with the same name and duplicate entries? Should we update the format and also store the e-mail address internally? All suggestions are welcome on this point.
Cheers,
Hi Heiki,
thanks for giving us such an important feedback :-).
1 ) @Alessandro: sorry for bothering you but I have no clue when the one submitting the petition is an individual or a company (unless they add something). Is there any way to do it.
2) Duplicates entries: I was catching the duplicate ones but unless I am totally sure it is a mistake (for example, there was a case where there was the same name one after another) I don't think we should change the others. E.g Alexander Ross is a really common name as well as other duplicates. So I am only deleting the ones I am 100% sure it is a mistake.
Maybe it would be a good idea to start to store the emails internally from now on. And I will check the last requests to try to find any company and I will contact them.
Best,
Ana
Hey,
On 3 September 2012 09:11, Ana Galan ana.galan@fsfeurope.org wrote:
1 ) @Alessandro: sorry for bothering you but I have no clue when the one submitting the petition is an individual or a company (unless they add something). Is there any way to do it.
<sig name="Marco" surname="Bettin" email="marco.bettin@tiscali.it" group="" country="Italy" nl=[ ] date="2012-08-30" /> If the group argument is filled, then it might be worth e-mailing the signer for further enquiries.
- Duplicates entries: I was catching the duplicate ones but unless I am
totally sure it is a mistake (for example, there was a case where there was the same name one after another) I don't think we should change the others. E.g Alexander Ross is a really common name as well as other duplicates. So I am only deleting the ones I am 100% sure it is a mistake.
OK. I was just wondering whether we can somehow improve duplication detection. The ambiguity is part of the reason why I have not done anything either.
Maybe it would be a good idea to start to store the emails internally from now on. And I will check the last requests to try to find any company and I will contact them.
The list has archives. So as long as the mail goes through the list, it is stored. :-)
Thanks, Ana.
Cheers,
On 09/03/2012 11:26 AM, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild wrote:
Hey,
On 3 September 2012 09:11, Ana Galan ana.galan@fsfeurope.org wrote:
1 ) @Alessandro: sorry for bothering you but I have no clue when the one submitting the petition is an individual or a company (unless they add something). Is there any way to do it.
<sig name="Marco" surname="Bettin" email="marco.bettin@tiscali.it" group="" country="Italy" nl=[ ] date="2012-08-30" /> If the group argument is filled, then it might be worth e-mailing the signer for further enquiries.
- Duplicates entries: I was catching the duplicate ones but unless I am
totally sure it is a mistake (for example, there was a case where there was the same name one after another) I don't think we should change the others. E.g Alexander Ross is a really common name as well as other duplicates. So I am only deleting the ones I am 100% sure it is a mistake.
OK. I was just wondering whether we can somehow improve duplication detection. The ambiguity is part of the reason why I have not done anything either.
Maybe it would be a good idea to start to store the emails internally from now on. And I will check the last requests to try to find any company and I will contact them.
The list has archives. So as long as the mail goes through the list, it is stored. :-)
Thanks, Ana.
Cheers,
Hi,
@Otto: I add you in this email because we have a question for you...
Matthias suggested (I was checking everything with him as I am starting so I am not really so good with these issues and I am still really far away to have a good computer knowledge) that maybe it would be a good idea to have something similar for our PDF signatures request as what Otto is doing with the support (@Otto: something that checks automatically the emails, if they are already in the system).
Maybe once Otto explains it we could use the same system for the PDFsign (and in that case, @Heiki: would you mind be in charge of it? I will continue updating the list and the names but it would be nice if someone is also checking it).
Best,
Ana
Hello,
2012/9/3 Ana Galan ana.galan@fsfeurope.org: ..
@Otto: I add you in this email because we have a question for you...
Matthias suggested (I was checking everything with him as I am starting so I am not really so good with these issues and I am still really far away to have a good computer knowledge) that maybe it would be a good idea to have something similar for our PDF signatures request as what Otto is doing with the support (@Otto: something that checks automatically the emails, if they are already in the system).
Maybe once Otto explains it we could use the same system for the PDFsign (and in that case, @Heiki: would you mind be in charge of it? I will continue updating the list and the names but it would be nice if someone is also checking it).
Yes, it can be used. We could either have two sets of copies of the scripts/program to get same functionality for both, or we could even integrate them so that people who sign the PDFreaders petition (or secure boot petition or whatever) would be first added to the petition and then automatically (by e-mail) encouraged to sign up as supporters of the FSFE.
Or we could also integrate all of this into CiviCRM.
This needs some designing and is not trivial, since there are a lot of details to take into account. Also everything must be made very well into the finest details, in order to make the user experience good and maximize the amount of people who sign. Maybe if Matthias organizes a design/development sprint we could take this need in account to and design a complete system to handle all of these needs mentioned above.
* Otto Kekäläinen otto@fsfe.org [2012-09-03 13:09:51 +0300]:
Or we could also integrate all of this into CiviCRM.
This needs some designing and is not trivial, since there are a lot of details to take into account. Also everything must be made very well into the finest details, in order to make the user experience good and maximize the amount of people who sign. Maybe if Matthias organizes a design/development sprint we could take this need in account to and design a complete system to handle all of these needs mentioned above.
Ok, sounds good. Until then we should remove abvious duplicates.
Holger Dyroff for example only signed once :)
Cheers, Matthias
Hi Heiki,
* Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild repentinus@fsfe.org [2012-09-01 14:01:08 +0000]:
If I have not missed anything, you, Ana, have taken over the signature management of the petition from Alessandro. In case I have missed anything, I am sending it to both of you and also to the list. I have couple of issues I would like to discuss.
It is done by the interns here. I added them, so all of them can read it (at the moment it is Ana and Leopold).
- Ana, I have noticed that you have added quite a few individual
signatures. However, from the signature requests submitted, I think that one or two organisations have also wished to be added. In such a case the proper thing to do would be to contact the signature submitter, and confirm whether the signer would like to sign individually, for the organisation, or both. Right, Alessandro? Cc-ing the mails to the list would also be a good idea. Also, in case of organisational signatures I would make a point of asking what position the person holds in the organisation, id est whether the person actually has the authority to sign for the organisation. (Since at least one of the organisations I saw was a school in Estonia, and it struck me as a bit odd. They do not seem to be in the list yet, fortunately.)
- Occasionally I have discovered quite a few duplicates in the
signature list. E.g., 3 Holger Dyroffs. Now, I cannot say they are all duplicates, but it seems quite likely to me. First, let us try to avoid adding duplicate signatures. Furthermore, any ideas on improving the signature list in a way where we could distinguish between two persons with the same name and duplicate entries? Should we update the format and also store the e-mail address internally? All suggestions are welcome on this point.
Regards, Matthias
* Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild repentinus@fsfe.org [2012-09-01 14:01:08 +0000]:
- Ana, I have noticed that you have added quite a few individual
signatures. However, from the signature requests submitted, I think that one or two organisations have also wished to be added. In such a case the proper thing to do would be to contact the signature submitter, and confirm whether the signer would like to sign individually, for the organisation, or both. Right, Alessandro? Cc-ing the mails to the list would also be a good idea. Also, in case of organisational signatures I would make a point of asking what position the person holds in the organisation, id est whether the person actually has the authority to sign for the organisation. (Since at least one of the organisations I saw was a school in Estonia, and it struck me as a bit odd. They do not seem to be in the list yet, fortunately.)
Yes, this is the right procedure.
Regards, Matthias