[Fsfe-ie] Eben Moglen in Harvard

adam beecher lists at beecher.net
Sat Feb 28 17:09:47 CET 2004

> You've been tricked.
Nah, I haven't. I use the "official" Real Player on Linux, because I don't
really object to proprietary software, just the practices of proprietary
fotware companies; and (personally) I accept source code that's open to /me/
as a form of open source software. My concern is that I've seen it reported
both here and on the ICTE mailing list that there's no Real Player for
Linux. There is, in fact there's (at least) two.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: fsfe-ie-bounces at fsfeurope.org
> [mailto:fsfe-ie-bounces at fsfeurope.org]On Behalf Of Ciaran O'Riordan
> Sent: 28 February 2004 15:11
> To: fsfe-ie at fsfeurope.org
> Subject: Re: [Fsfe-ie] Eben Moglen in Harvard
> [ about RealPlayer format]
> > and a pre-release open source player is available from
> > <https://player.helixcommunity.org/>.
> You've been tricked.  That software is not open source or free software.
> It's an easy scam to fall for though, since they've made press releases
> which claim that the whole player is "open source" - a new low for
> RealNetworks IMHO.
> The software at that site is released under a combination of 4 licenses,
> all quite long and newly written by RealNetworks.  Both FSF and Debian
> have rejected all four.
> The OpenSource team have certified *one* of those licenses as OpenSource
> - but that license only applies to parts of the interface, not the
> codec, so to use that player to view RealPlayer format videos, you must
> install the proprietary codec software too.
> I mailed the JOLT at harvard people about a week before Ebens talk and
> asked that they make it available in a format which has a free software
> player - and they said they would.  They made a previous talk (by Darl
> McBride) available in Speex format, but it took a few days extra so
> maybe if you check back to their speakers page in a few days, there will
> be a playable version.
> In the mean time, a transcript of Ebens harvard talk is at:
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040226003735733
> And here's an Ogg of a previous (better, IMO) talk by moglen:
> http://courses.durhamtech.edu/~jeremy/moglen/eben_moglen.ogg
> --
> Ciarán O'Riordan
> http://www.compsoc.com/~coriordan/
> Irish Free Software Organisation: http://ifso.info/
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