"Online Copyright: EU Court of Justice Rules Out Private and Automatic Censorship"
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/online-copyright-eu-court-of-justice-rules-ou...
Good news for the community hosting service?
David
looks good, just a shame it doesn't clarify the exact position on other illegal activities :S
Good work! Where did you find it?
Anna
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, D.Bolton U0970268 < U0970268@unimail.hud.ac.uk> wrote:
"Online Copyright: EU Court of Justice Rules Out Private and Automatic Censorship"
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/online-copyright-eu-court-of-justice-rules-ou...
Good news for the community hosting service?
David _______________________________________________ Manchester mailing list Manchester@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/manchester
I think the privacy issue is the important one here. If snooping on someone's email is an invasion of privacy for the purposes of checking whether a user is infringing copyright - then it must be an invasion of privacy for everything. The implication is that sysops simply should not snoop - period.
And if a sysop is not supposed to snoop, and doesn't snoop, they surely cannot be held responsible (as an accessory) for any illegal activities of their users.
Of course if the police come along with some kind of warrant - then privacy goes out of the window. But if the sysops can't actually look inside users' email repositories.... Hmmm. And what about logs of where messages are sent (or from where they are received)?
Just something I picked up following Glyn Moody on Twitter & Identi.ca https://mobile.twitter.com/glynmoody http://identi.ca/glynmoody
________________________________________ From: Anna Morris [say.hello.to.anna@googlemail.com] Sent: 16 February 2012 10:46 To: D.Bolton U0970268 Cc: manchester@lists.fsfe.org Subject: Re: [Manchester] EU to the rescue
looks good, just a shame it doesn't clarify the exact position on other illegal activities :S
Good work! Where did you find it?
Anna
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, D.Bolton U0970268 <U0970268@unimail.hud.ac.ukmailto:U0970268@unimail.hud.ac.uk> wrote: "Online Copyright: EU Court of Justice Rules Out Private and Automatic Censorship"
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/online-copyright-eu-court-of-justice-rules-ou...
Good news for the community hosting service?
David _______________________________________________ Manchester mailing list Manchester@lists.fsfe.orgmailto:Manchester@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/manchester
-- www.ethical-pets.co.ukhttp://www.ethical-pets.co.uk - The pet shop thats all sorts of ethical!
Its, in my (humble) opinion, def a good sign, but I still think we could all wind up in a cell if a criminal gang happend to be exporting liverpudlians to peru to sew footballs together or something! :(
Never knew the world was so stupid. Watched panorama last night, the one about poor americans, i know its overhyped but dear me thats a nasty country. The benefits agency might be really horrible to me and joe but atleast we don't live in a storm drain under lasvegas or in a tent while republicans tell us we need to be educated to have the neccisary skills to integrate into normal societiy (when we used to have a pool and a double garage and work in IT)
makes me sick and sad all at once. Dosn't help that I have been watching startreck and dreeming of a world free from poverty, war and the prospect of synthahol and vulcans
a x
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, D.Bolton U0970268 < U0970268@unimail.hud.ac.uk> wrote:
I think the privacy issue is the important one here. If snooping on someone's email is an invasion of privacy for the purposes of checking whether a user is infringing copyright - then it must be an invasion of privacy for everything. The implication is that sysops simply should not snoop - period.
And if a sysop is not supposed to snoop, and doesn't snoop, they surely cannot be held responsible (as an accessory) for any illegal activities of their users.
Of course if the police come along with some kind of warrant - then privacy goes out of the window. But if the sysops can't actually look inside users' email repositories.... Hmmm. And what about logs of where messages are sent (or from where they are received)?
Just something I picked up following Glyn Moody on Twitter & Identi.ca https://mobile.twitter.com/glynmoody http://identi.ca/glynmoody
From: Anna Morris [say.hello.to.anna@googlemail.com] Sent: 16 February 2012 10:46 To: D.Bolton U0970268 Cc: manchester@lists.fsfe.org Subject: Re: [Manchester] EU to the rescue
looks good, just a shame it doesn't clarify the exact position on other illegal activities :S
Good work! Where did you find it?
Anna
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, D.Bolton U0970268 < U0970268@unimail.hud.ac.ukmailto:U0970268@unimail.hud.ac.uk> wrote: "Online Copyright: EU Court of Justice Rules Out Private and Automatic Censorship"
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/online-copyright-eu-court-of-justice-rules-ou...
Good news for the community hosting service?
David _______________________________________________ Manchester mailing list Manchester@lists.fsfe.orgmailto:Manchester@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/manchester
-- www.ethical-pets.co.ukhttp://www.ethical-pets.co.uk - The pet shop thats all sorts of ethical!
Manchester mailing list Manchester@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/manchester
On Thursday 16 February 2012 12:37:31 D.Bolton U0970268 wrote:
Of course if the police come along with some kind of warrant - then privacy goes out of the window. But if the sysops can't actually look inside users' email repositories.... Hmmm. And what about logs of where messages are sent (or from where they are received)?
I don't think that this ruling affects other legislation which may require keeping logs. Maybe we can't be forced to read those logs or automatically monitor them for copyright infringements, but we could still be required to keep them for the police to use for non-copyright cases.
I'm pretty sure Michael Dorrington knows about the laws relating to logs, I'll ask him.
And thanks for sharing this news with the list!
Sam.
On Thursday 16 February 2012 10:23:02 D.Bolton U0970268 wrote:
"Online Copyright: EU Court of Justice Rules Out Private and Automatic Censorship"...Good news for the community hosting service?
Certainly it is very good news indeed!
"it declares that forcing a hosting service to monitor and filter online content violates EU law."
It appears to mean that we could take the case to a European court if we were required to "monitor and police" our users in order to prevent copyright infringement.
It does not appear to have any impact on other, non-copyright related cases however. Therefore the scenario that we discussed were we might be forced to hand over passwords and not tell our users is still possible as far as I can see, so we need to remain vigilant.
On Thursday 16 February 2012 10:46:44 Anna Morris wrote:
looks good, just a shame it doesn't clarify the exact position on other illegal activities :S
Indeed.
Good work! Where did you find it?
Out of interest FSFE is closely involved with http://www.laquadrature.net. I believe they are one of the partners of Document Freedom Day, and FSFE representatives have worked closely with them on several issues in the past. The situation in France is a bit sticky regarding Free Software community groups (lots of infighting), but La Quadrature has done consistently good work in the past.
Thanks,
Sam.